The Great Snatch
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> 22: And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be > saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened. > 23: Terror In Lonely Places – Desert Mysteries
By Scott Corrales
Posts tagged: Deer Hunting
Winchester Model 100?
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Hadn’t heard that one, but you would be well to consider a Remington 7600 or Browning BAR. — John Dickmon http://www.benefit4kids.org http://www.sportsmenagainsthunger.org http://www.pathwai.org
> I was considering purchasing a Winchester Model 100, 308 caliber, > semi-automatic in excellent condition from private individual. However, I > visited a gunshop to ask about this gun and was told that there was a > serious firing pin problem and the guns had been recalled for re[pair. The > shop owner also referred to it as the Model 100 jam-o-matic, saying this was > a problem gun all around. Anyone with any experience on this? > Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: > http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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> I was considering purchasing a Winchester Model 100, 308 caliber
I've owned a couple of M100s, one in .308 and one in .284. Both gave good reliability and reasonable deer-hunting accuracy when kept clean and fed factory ammunition. I wouldn't pick one as my sole deer-rifle. . .I think there are too many better choices out there. . .but I wish I still had either or both of my M100s, if only for the neat historical value. Best, Hank Jackson Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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The guy at the gun shop wants to sell you a gun of his. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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> All in all I believe the mod 100 to be a great gun. I would >recomment it to anyone!
It is indeed a fine, accurate rifle. Randy Wakeman Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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The > shop owner also referred to it as the Model 100 jam-o-matic, saying this was > a problem gun all around. Anyone with any experience on this?
I have owned a couple of 100's. They have been very reliable and I have experienced few jams. The problem of the recalled firing pin is easily taken care of by any good gunsmith. All in all I believe the mod 100 to be a great gun. I would recomment it to anyone! Al Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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I have 2 friends who both hunt with a Winchester 100 in .243 Win. and they have nothing but praise for the gun. I have hunted with them both and never seen a problem. I beleive the firing pin problem can be cured (if it already hasn't) with a retrofit on the defective part. The only real problem I've seen with these guns is the availability of extra magazines. If it comes with a couple, then no problem. My 2 cents.
> I was considering purchasing a Winchester Model 100, 308 caliber, > semi-automatic in excellent condition from private individual. However, I > visited a gunshop to ask about this gun and was told that there was a > serious firing pin problem and the guns had been recalled for re[pair. The > shop owner also referred to it as the Model 100 jam-o-matic, saying this was > a problem gun all around. Anyone with any experience on this? > Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: > http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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I was considering purchasing a Winchester Model 100, 308 caliber, semi-automatic in excellent condition from private individual. However, I visited a gunshop to ask about this gun and was told that there was a serious firing pin problem and the guns had been recalled for re[pair. The shop owner also referred to it as the Model 100 jam-o-matic, saying this was a problem gun all around. Anyone with any experience on this? Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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Newbie – wondering about 22s
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Hi there. Our Clumber Spaniel recently realized that by gawd, she is a bird dawg. She is 3 years old, and had been intro’d to birds several times in her life, never showing interest t’all until the Clumber national in June. Some serious work and a lot of luck… and now she has earned her WDX and her AKC Junior Hunter title. In fact, she is 5 for 5 in field test events now, passing every one we have entered. Pretty damn cool, especially since her handler and trainer (that’d be me) is a total rookie in field events, or hunting at all for that matter. Anyhow, so it was a ton of fun and is wonderful after about 10 years in the breed to finally have one who likes to work birds, so my partner and I have decided to get into the "real" sport. We purchased a shotgun, have signed up for classes, and of course are bothering our mentors in the breed constantly. We have found a shotgun trap shooting place and have been practicing there with a borrowed shotgun (our hasn’t arrived yet, and once it does, we will have to get to to a smith to be resized, as we are both female and our arms were not designed, apparently, for the length from stock to trigger.) and having fun. We also attended a local intro to plinking event, and shot 22 rifles for the first times in our lives. So hopefully you are now aware that we know virtually nothing about hunting or firearms. My actual question is this: we had a lot of fun firing the 22 rifle and we are thinking it might be cool to get one of those, too, for target practice. What else is a 22 good for? Is there any other kinds of hunting it can be used for? Obviously upland birds are probably out, but what other sorts of hunting would be available to us having a shotgun and a 22 ? Or, for that matter, just the shotgun? Is there a good "Hunting 101" reference out there? Thanks much! Tracy Olympia, Washington – kibble provider to Ch. Cameo’s Wild Cherry Jubilee WDX JH Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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congrats on your dog’s turnaround… .22 will do squirrel and rabbit, prairie dog, small animals like that. also, just basic shooting practice … it’s good cuz you can shoot for a while during practice without removing your shoulder. (try shooting 3-1/2 12 guage slugs… I showed up at the range with 50 rounds of 2-3/4 slugs and the guy looked at me as if I was insane … ha ha ha. I got through 25 before I ducked out..) but i digress. you can probably do most of your shooting with the shotgun, and just pick different loads for different things, Save the money. Or, if you want some deer get a rifled slug barrel. Shotguns are great machines. congrats again on the dog. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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> Our Clumber Spaniel recently realized that by gawd, she is a bird dawg. She > is 3 years old, and had been intro’d to birds several times in her life, > never showing interest t’all until the Clumber national in June. Some > serious work and a lot of luck… and now she has earned her WDX and her AKC > Junior Hunter title. In fact, she is 5 for 5 in field test events now, > passing every one we have entered. Pretty damn cool, especially since her > handler and trainer (that’d be me) is a total rookie in field events, or > hunting at all for that matter.
Hooray! There is nothing quite as fun as working behind a birdy spaniel. Feel free to post a few brags on rec.hunting.dogs. Most of the guys there think labs and pointers are the only bird dogs in the world. I bet your clumber would be great kicking pheasant out of heavy cover. I have a Picardy Spaniel, which is the other extreme of the spaniel world, tall and rangy, but she still has that astonishing 100 yard spaniel nose. > Anyhow, so it was a ton of fun and is wonderful after about 10 years in the > breed to finally have one who likes to work birds, so my partner and I have > decided to get into the "real" sport. We purchased a shotgun, have signed > up for classes, and of course are bothering our mentors in the breed > constantly. We have found a shotgun trap shooting place and have been > practicing there with a borrowed shotgun (our hasn’t arrived yet, and once > it does, we will have to get to to a smith to be resized, as we are both > female and our arms were not designed, apparently, for the length from stock > to trigger.) and having fun. We also attended a local intro to plinking > event, and shot 22 rifles for the first times in our lives.
Getting your shotgun fitted is probably the best shooting investment you can make. I am counted a pretty fair wing shot, but I have one shotgun that I can’t hit anything with. It just doesn’t fit. > So hopefully you are now aware that we know virtually nothing about hunting > or firearms. My actual question is this: we had a lot of fun firing the 22 > rifle and we are thinking it might be cool to get one of those, too, for > target practice. What else is a 22 good for? Is there any other kinds of > hunting it can be used for? Obviously upland birds are probably out, but > what other sorts of hunting would be available to us having a shotgun and a > 22 ? Or, for that matter, just the shotgun?
A .22 is a fine varmint gun, squirrel gun, and general utility piece. They are inexpensive to buy and cheap to shoot. Use hollow point bullets if you really want to kill something, otherwise you will just poke neat little holes in it. Solid lead bullets are fine for target practice, but don’t try to hunt with them. With the shotgun you can also shoot squirrel and rabbit. Eastern Washington is full of jack rabbits, which can be a real pest. Your clumber can kick them out of the bushes and bring them back for you. Either a .22 or a shotgun is fine for nutria, which are huge South American water rats called coypu in their homeland. They were introduced into the PNW as a fur animal, and there is a market for the pelts if you don’t mess them up, so a .22 might be preferable. Nutria burrow into stream banks, destabilize the soil and cause a lot of erosion. They also make a mess out of many farm crops. If your clumber likes to swim, he can retrieve those for you too. > Is there a good "Hunting 101" reference out there? Thanks much!
Start at your trap range. You will find local hunters who will be happy to go out with you and show you the ropes. With a good hunting dog, you will have more hunting offers than you can possibly accept. On the west slope without a dog you lose far too many cripples for bird hunting to be much fun. Your dog will buy you all the hunting lessons you need. — "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." – Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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What else is a 22 good for? Is there any other kinds of > hunting it can be used for? Obviously upland birds are probably out, but > what other sorts of hunting would be available to us having a shotgun and a > 22 ? Or, for that matter, just the shotgun?
Hi Tracy, I am also new to this group, but the 22 can be used for a variety of hunting. I use mine for squirrel, rabbit, and bobcat. My dad went squirrel hunting about three years ago with his 22 and jumped a deer. Before he even thought about what rifle he had, he had already fired a shot. As luck would have it, it was a head shot and the deer went down. I do not recommend deer hunting with it, but it can be done. I also do not recommend upland birds, unless you can hit a moving target 9 out of 10, almost impossible with a 22, IMHO. Hope this helps, Ben in Georgia, "My worst day hunting is better than my best day at work!!!" Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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I have a more private offer for you than the response to your hunting mailing list post. I have an old Winchester model 1912 that has been cut down to a very short stock. It has an adjustable butt plate and pad mounted on it. Frankly, the stock has been pretty well butchered, but the shotgun itself is in excellent mechanical condition with no rust. As it is, it would probably fit a small woman pretty well. The stock is far to short for me. I’m in Southern Oregon near Roseburg, but have a mother and a family farm near Salem that I visit regularly. It is possible that we could meet and you could actually shoot the shotgun to see if it suits you. $200 and it’s yours. — Larry Caldwell Myrtle Creek, Oregon http://home.teleport.com/~larryc Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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—– Original Message —– > Hi there.
((clipped)) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> So hopefully you are now aware that we know virtually nothing about hunting > or firearms. My actual question is this: we had a lot of fun firing the 22 > rifle and we are thinking it might be cool to get one of those, too, for > target practice. What else is a 22 good for? Is there any other kinds of > hunting it can be used for? Obviously upland birds are probably out, but > what other sorts of hunting would be available to us having a shotgun and a > 22 ? Or, for that matter, just the shotgun? > Is there a good "Hunting 101" reference out there? Thanks much! > Tracy
Welcome to the world of hunting! Around here, (PA) we use .22s for squirrel hunting. Also woodchucks, which are nearly the same as your rock chucks, or marmots. If you have prairie dogs and ground squirrels, they would also make fine targets. A .22 is also ideal for plinking, as the ammo is as cheap as you can get. Remember that when you go from a shotgun with a maximum range of 150 yards or so, to a .22 rifle, that has a maximum range of 1 1/2 miles, you must be aware of what is behind your target. Safety First! As for references, the best advise I have is to go to www.google.com and type in "hunting" or ".22 hunting", and see what you get. have fun! Bob Gravity…It’s Not Just a Good Idea…. It’s the Law. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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Secret Service and guns
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Back when Slick went to Jackson Hole WY, the local boys took their scopes off their rifles to get a better look at the Prez. Secret Service went apeshit over this. Arrested them, threw them in the slammer etc. Back during the Flood of ‘93, Slick and company visited Arnold MO High School. They parked school buses 3 deep around the football field, where the choppers landed. Before you buy. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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> Back when jimmy Carter was prez he was out west to do a river float or > some such. The head guide asked if it would be all right to bring a gun > along. The Secret Service agent aghast asked what he wanted a gun for? > The guide thought an extra gun would be good insurance since there were > bears in the area. The agent paused a moment then slapped the guy on the > back and told him to bring all the guns he wanted. NO PROBLEM!:-)))
Ralph – That may have been when Carter floated the middle fork of the Salmon in Idaho. One of my buddies was camp cook on that trip. A couple years later, the Carters came down the Rogue in SW Oregon and stayed at my folk’s fishing lodge. I just happened through on a weekend deer hunting trip … my first year of handgun hunting, and I accidentally came in from hunting at the same time the fishing group came in off the river. I had no idea who it was; half of the party was secret service. I pulled into the yard, parked, grabbed my 4-5-6 handguns I was messing with that season, and headed for my room to clean up before dinner. I went right through the secret service guys, who never batted an eye, BS-ed with the outfitter for a couple minutes about fishing, weather, etc., then went on inside. I figure the secret service had run background checks on family and employees of all of the lodges along the route; they’d already checked me out, and if I’d acted any different, THAT would have showed up as unnatural. Still … kinda wierd. After dinner, several of the secret service guys who were gun nuts came out to drool over my collection, swap yarns, etc. I didn’t get much chance to talk to Jimmy … he was the center of attention of course, but I got a chance to talk to Mrs Carter quite a bit … she seems like a real genuinely decent person. ’course, I guess the fact that she initially mistook me for her son didn’t hurt matters … gave us something to laugh about. :-) Tom Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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Was this the trip where Carter whacked the poor defenseless swimming bunny rabbit with a canoe paddle? -Norm > Back when jimmy Carter was prez he was out west to do a river float or > some such. The head guide asked if it would be all right to bring a gun > along. The Secret Service agent aghast asked what he wanted a gun for? > The guide thought an extra gun would be good insurance since there were > bears in the area. The agent paused a moment then slapped the guy on the > back and told him to bring all the guns he wanted. NO PROBLEM!:-)))
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Back when jimmy Carter was prez he was out west to do a river float or some such. The head guide asked if it would be all right to bring a gun along. The Secret Service agent aghast asked what he wanted a gun for? The guide thought an extra gun would be good insurance since there were bears in the area. The agent paused a moment then slapped the guy on the back and told him to bring all the guns he wanted. NO PROBLEM!:-))) Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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buying a 44 mag
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Try a S&W 629 or 29 Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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I shot my first buck with a Ruger Super Blackhawk .44 10 1/2 " barrel yesterday. Feels good to have success with a handgun. I have never even thought about recoil with this gun. Not to brag at all but I shot the deer in my 5 o’clock position with one hand. What I do recommend is a good grip and confidence that comes with a little practice. I will never go back to a rifle. The challange of using it and the sometimes ease of using it make the handgun my choice. I might mention that I also use a Tasco red dot scope. http://homepages.together.net/~sblaine/postman.htm NOTICE TO SPAMMERS Pursuant to U.S. Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Sub-Chapter II, Section 227, any and all non-solicited commercial E-mail sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500. E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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I have shot deer with a colt 4" Anaconda, Ruger Redhawk in both 5.5 and 7.5 inch barrels, and Desert Eagle auto. I have also shot targets quite a bit with 6 inch Smith model 29, Ruger blackhawks, and a 6 inch colt. I currently am using a Redhawk with a 5.5 inch barrel. They all are good guns. Pick the one you like best and go with it.The Blackhawk models probably kick a little harder because of the lighter weight. As far as Colt vs. Redhawk for Recoil, I dont think either one is unpleasant to shoot with full power loads. I am not a big fan of the Redhawk factory grip. On of the first things I do is change the grip when I get one. Both revolvers when mounted with similar grips recoil about the same to me. Make sure you get in plenty of practice before you go hunting with one. Good luck Joe Hutmacher PoBox 185 Oacoma,SD 57365 605-734-4276 I love my country, but fear my government. — Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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> I’m thinking of buying a 44 mag for hunting and I was curious about > recoil. Does anyone have any experience with the Ruger black/redhawks > vs the Colts ? I’ve known people that have owned the Colts and they > ended up selling them due to the punishment their hands took. I suspect > it might be a weight issue ….or the "wimp" factor…hehe. Anyone > have any input regarding this?
I have a super Redhawk with a 9 1/2 inch barrel and I love it for deer hunting. It is a very accurate pistol but it does have some recoil. I have gotten used to that though. You just have to make sure you grip the gun very tight or you will have skinned knuckles<g> Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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>I’m thinking of buying a 44 mag for hunting and I was curious about >recoil. Does anyone have any experience with the Ruger black/redhawks >vs the Colts ? I’ve known people that have owned the Colts and they >ended up selling them due to the punishment their hands took. I suspect >it might be a weight issue ….or the "wimp" factor…hehe. Anyone >have any input regarding this?
When your sights are aligned on a nice 8 pointer, you will NEVER notice the recoil. Your ears will ring and your eyes will be searching for your target, but you will not remember the recoil. Of course getting zeroed in is a slightly different matter, but the end result is worth it. — The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson. Straight Shootin Y’all. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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: I’m thinking of buying a 44 mag for hunting and I was curious about : recoil. Does anyone have any experience with the Ruger black/redhawks : vs the Colts ? I’ve known people that have owned the Colts and they : ended up selling them due to the punishment their hands took. I suspect : it might be a weight issue ….or the "wimp" factor…hehe. Anyone : have any input regarding this? I’ve only shot two 44s. One a ruger (don’t remember which model) and while holding it with both hands, it went up to about a 45 degree angle. I own a colt anaconda, and even single handed it doesn’t rise more than 6 inches. IMHO, it does not punish me at all. I’ve shot 100+ rounds in one session with no problems at all. samg Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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I’m thinking of buying a 44 mag for hunting and I was curious about recoil. Does anyone have any experience with the Ruger black/redhawks vs the Colts ? I’ve known people that have owned the Colts and they ended up selling them due to the punishment their hands took. I suspect it might be a weight issue ….or the "wimp" factor…hehe. Anyone have any input regarding this? * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free! Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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>I’m thinking of buying a 44 mag for hunting and I was curious about >recoil. Does anyone have any experience with the Ruger black/redhawks >vs the Colts ? I’ve known people that have owned the Colts and they >ended up selling them due to the punishment their hands took. I suspect >it might be a weight issue ….or the "wimp" factor…hehe. Anyone >have any input regarding this?
The "wimp" factor is probably why some real nice 44 mag revolvers show up on the used market real cheap. It is how I got my Ruger SuperBlackhawk. After about 10 rounds I put on Pachmayr Presentation grips. My hands were just to big for the factory grips. Same with the Redhawk but I installed a set of Hogue Monogrips. I think that in this caliber hand and grip fit is very important in handling the recoil, especially when using the heavier loads. Did a little target work with a buddies S&W Model 29 but he had already installed some Pachmayr grips on it for the same reasons. Haven’t done much with Colts but the Rugers do tend to be heavier and this also helps to control recoil. Alex * Spinner of the WWWeb Page at: * http://www.well.com/user/amv/amv.htm Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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Best Slugs for Moss. 500 rifled barrel??
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I purchased the Mossberg 500 trophy slugster back when it came out 10 years ago and I have put every brand of slugs at the range thru it and still find that the Winchester supreme sabots 3" work the best…Make sure you get the 3" because that extra 1/4" fills the gap in the mossberg and does shoot better than the 23/4. Good luck.. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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>I just bought a rifled barrel for the upcoming deer season and plan on >shooting it this weekend. Could someone give me suggestions on what >slugs shoot well out of the Moss. 500? I don’t plan on shooting more >than 75 yards.
I have a Mossberg with a Hastings rifled barrel. ( from before Mossberg started selling them WITH rifled barrels) Anyway with THIS barrel I found it was VERY particular about different brands of AMMO. It shot very well with either Federal classics or Premiums, but another Brand Name Ammo shot all over the paper at 50 yds! bench rested! I suggest you buy several different brands of ammo and see what works best in your particular barrel. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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Howdy- Have been using my 500 for 4 seasons, always with Remington Copper Solid 3" mags. Find they give me the extra reach if I need it….Have taken venison each trip. Best thing is to try as many brands/types as you can to determine your gun’s preference… Good hunting! Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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I just bought a rifled barrel for the upcoming deer season and plan on shooting it this weekend. Could someone give me suggestions on what slugs shoot well out of the Moss. 500? I don’t plan on shooting more than 75 yards. Thanks. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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>Could someone give me suggestions on what >slugs shoot well out of the Moss. 500? I don’t plan on shooting more
Winchester / BRI 2-3/4" 1 oz. Sabot. Randy Wakeman Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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Actually at under 75 yards the plain old, run of the mill, Remington and Winchester rifled lead slugs have done just fine for me in the same barrel. BTW I also handloaded some Lee Mold slugs and they did pretty good (on paper anyway) at 50 yards. Hope I helped. Mike Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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> Actually at under 75 yards the plain old, run of the mill, Remington > Winchester rifled lead slugs have done just fine for me in the same > barrel. > BTW I also handloaded some Lee Mold slugs and they did pretty good (on > paper anyway) at 50 yards. > Hope I helped.
Mike, So you’re saying any sabot slug out of this barrel is fine for deer hunting…is the Win/BRI much better though? Say I’m shooting 100 yards? Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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Chris wrote Mike, So you’re saying any sabot slug out of this barrel is fine for deer hunting…is the Win/BRI much better though? Say I’m shooting 100 yards? Honestly, I don’t know if it is. The lead foster type slugs have worked for me fine out to 80 yards. Beyond that I’m sure sabot slugs are better accuracy wise. The sabot rounds cost to much for me to practice with so I stick to shorter ranges and cheaper ammo. I’ve never even practiced at 100 yards before but if you do want to shoot long go with the sabots. At short ranges the sabots are probably more accurate but a 1" smaller group never made much difference to a deer that had the proper aim on it by a hunter. Mike Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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Whitetail hunting revolver
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44 mag with 6 inch barrel, if those are the choices. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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Go with the .44 mag and a longer barrel. Scoping or not depends upon how you plan to hunt. Busting the brush will likely give you quick, running shots at deer – thus a scope would be a bad choice. Stand hunting lends itself to standing/walking shots at deer – a scope’s a great idea then. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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I bagged my first handgun whitetail last year. Anyone can go to a Wal-mart buy a long gun and get a deer. Give that same person a pistol and they will come home empty handed. The thrill of collecting a deer with a handgun far surpasses anything I have ever experienced with a rifle. It takes more dedication but it is more than worth it. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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Jerry I was the same way as yourself about twenty years ago. I picked up a S&W 29 in a 4" and have been knocking them down every year since. I have also given up rifle hunting almost completely and only hunt with handguns and most are T/Cs and Encores. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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I know lots of people who bought long guns and didn’t get a deer. Is buying it at Wal-Mart the key? What is different about their guns? Do they smear something on them that attracts deer? Will it stay on when you clean it? Please let us know. This could be the greatest thing since gunpowder. — Al "Those who would trade their freedom for security, will have neither", Benjamin Franklin. >I bagged my first handgun whitetail last year. Anyone can go to a Wal-mart buy >a long gun and get a deer. Give that same person a pistol and they will come >home empty handed. The thrill of collecting a deer with a handgun far surpasses >anything I have ever experienced with a rifle. It takes more dedication but it >is more than worth it. >Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: > http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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> With the approach of fall, I’m thinking about trying whitetail deer > hunting with a revolver. I’ve hunted for decades with a rifle, but I > think I’d enjoy the challenge of handgun hunting more. > In my area, 357’s and 44 Magnum’s used seem pretty abundant. I see both > 4" and 6" barrels; some are scoped and some are not. > I would appreciate advice from those more experienced in this aspect of > the sport. > Where do I start? > Thanks in advance. > Jerry.
I have hunted with a Ruger Super Black Hawk. Stainless steel, 44 magnum, 8 inch barrel, open sites as well as the same with a 6 inch barrel. I prefer the 8 inch. For me, better accuracy and better balance. Regardless of what you choose, make sure it has a good frame and feels balanced in your hands. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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I have successfully used a 6 inch S&W 25-5 in .45 Colt, iron sights, on deer and hog here in North Fla. This gun, .357 and .44 or .41 mags all will do the job within the limits of the cartridges power and range. Even more than with a rifle, getting within range and placement of the shot is paramount. Sam in Gainesville, Fl > With the approach of fall, I’m thinking about trying whitetail deer > hunting with a revolver. I’ve hunted for decades with a rifle, but I > think I’d enjoy the challenge of handgun hunting more. > In my area, 357’s and 44 Magnum’s used seem pretty abundant. I see both > 4" and 6" barrels; some are scoped and some are not.
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Quick "running" shots would be highly advised AGAINST with a handgun. Only a small percentage of hunters can consistently place bullets in the boilerroom on running deer with a long gun. A handgun would be a gamble at best, save a VERY small percentage of extremely proficient individuals. I shoot a Redhawk .44Mag and it is more than enough for any whitetail that roams the face… Short range weapon though. Myself I’m not proficient over 35-40 yards with open sights. Hopeful to mount a quality scope one of these days… TR > you plan to hunt. Busting the brush will likely give you quick, running > shots at deer – thus a scope would be a bad choice. Stand hunting lends
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REast52: WELL SAID. A handgun puts the "hunt" back into hunting. Mine are 44 magnums. Minimum length 7 1/2 " My 454 Casull has a 6" barrel. With either, you’ll never feel undergunned. Later. >I bagged my first handgun whitetail last year. Anyone can go to a Wal-mart buy >a long gun and get a deer. Give that same person a pistol and they will come >home empty handed. The thrill of collecting a deer with a handgun far surpasses >anything I have ever experienced with a rifle. It takes more dedication but it >is more than worth it. >Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: > http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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> With the approach of fall, I’m thinking about trying whitetail deer > hunting with a revolver. I’ve hunted for decades with a rifle, but I > think I’d enjoy the challenge of handgun hunting more. > In my area, 357’s and 44 Magnum’s used seem pretty abundant. I see both > 4" and 6" barrels; some are scoped and some are not. > I would appreciate advice from those more experienced in this aspect of > the sport. > Where do I start?
Whatever you choose, choose it quickly and get to the range. Depending on your current skill level with a handgun, you may find you need more practice than time allows… As for tool strategy…give some consideration to the T/C Contender. You could get both a 10 inch .22 lr and a 10 inch .357 or .44 magnum, then learn to hit with the .22 before attaching the magnum barrel to the gun. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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Give bowhunting a whirl! :-) Even Better! > home empty handed. The thrill of collecting a deer with a handgun far surpasses > anything I have ever experienced with a rifle. It takes more dedication but it > is more than worth it.
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;>Give bowhunting a whirl! :-) Even Better! ;> Amen to that! Rod C The means is greater than the end, and every good hunter knows this. * remove .nospam from reply address to email. * Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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With the approach of fall, I’m thinking about trying whitetail deer hunting with a revolver. I’ve hunted for decades with a rifle, but I think I’d enjoy the challenge of handgun hunting more. In my area, 357’s and 44 Magnum’s used seem pretty abundant. I see both 4" and 6" barrels; some are scoped and some are not. I would appreciate advice from those more experienced in this aspect of the sport. Where do I start? Thanks in advance. Jerry. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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Wyoming Elk Hunt info.
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My friends and I would like to try an Elk Hunt in Wyoming in 1999. I have a Wyoming Game and Fish application book. We would like to camp and hunt on public land. If anyone has any ideas on which areas have a high population and high draw probablity, please let me know. Thanks Glen Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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>My friends and I would like to try an Elk Hunt in Wyoming in 1999. I >have a Wyoming Game and Fish application book. We would like to camp >and hunt on public land. If anyone has any ideas on which areas have a >high population and high draw probablity, please let me know. >Thanks >Glen
Well, I’m not sure if this fits all your requirements, but in the 1998 season there were a few non-resident Elk licenses (antlerless only) available over-the-counter for Area 58 (just south of Cody; much of that area is on the Hoodoo Ranch which again allowed "no-fee hunting"; don’t know whether they allow camping on the ranch) on Oct. 31. Area 58 also includes quite a bit of National Forest land on Carter Mountain, and while deer-hunting there my party saw a pretty good-size herd of elk which included a 6×6 bull and about a half-dozen "junior" bulls. AFAIK, you can camp on the National Forest land on Carter Mountain. -jc- — Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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Bullet choice
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#Mind if I ask what load you use? # #Al For shooting groundhogs with my Ruger model 77 in 270 Winchester I use the following handload. Case-Winchester Primer-Winchester Bullet-Sierra 110 spitzer Powder- IMR 4350 Charge wt- about the middle of the range recommended by a loading manual. years. If you settle on a powder weight for the 110’s, try that same charge with 130’s. When I did, groups opened up to 1.25 inches but deer are a lot bigger. One load for one cartrige is nice and simple. Sorry, I don’t give out specific charges-there are too many variables. Dale Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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#Hello to the list, I am now almost ready to reload my .270 for deer #hunting. But what I need is a good bullet that won’t put me into the #poor house. There is all these new improved technology bullets out #there and they are really expensive. I know that for years many hunters #have taken whitetail deer without all the bells and whistles in their #bullets. I use Sierra Game-King SPBTs in 130-grain for .270; 160-grain for 7mmRemMag. I’ve also used Nosler Partitions (same weight/caliber). I load both bullets to 2900 – 3000 fps muzzle velocity for their respective calibers. With "proper" shot selection and placement, neither will fail you. # Remington Coreloks have been around forever and are the cheapest. A #fellow hunter has recommended Speer SPT-BT, then there is the Nosler #partition which no one can argue is a very good big game bullet. Now we #have the Combined Technology, Hawk, Grand slam, Swift, Barnes #etc…..and boy are they expensive, some are a dollar apiece just for #the bullets. #Help, I plan on using the two pounds of Winchester Magnum Rifle that I #have and would like an economical bullet, or convince me that the new #improved technology bullets are really the way to go. #Thanks in advance #Al I’ve never used Winchester Magnum Rifle powder; my particular rifles seem to perform quite well with IMR-4350 (.270) and H-1000 (7Mag), as well as H-4831 in either rifle. Perhaps as a "carry-over" from my "day job" as a mainframe computer programmer, I learned long ago that "if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it." In the Chicagoland area, the Sierra Game-King bullets cost a little less than half what Nosler Partitions (the only other rifle bullet I’ve hand-loaded) cost in the same weight and diameter. Sierra will get my money "forever", even though I still buy the Nosler Partitions occasionally. -jc- — Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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I’ve never used Winchester Magnum Rifle powder; my particular rifles seem to perform quite well with IMR-4350 (.270) and H-1000 (7Mag), as well as H-4831 in either rifle. Perhaps as a "carry-over" from my "day job" as a mainframe computer programmer, I learned long ago that "if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it." I have never used WMR either until yesterday, and I think that I like it. I have a buddy here that convinced me that this was the powder to go with in the .270. He has done extensive load testing with alot of powders and really sells WMR. When I shot it yesterday, the recoil was less than with factory loads and accuracy was very good. I loaded it up with a Speer SPT-BT 130 grn. Al Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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#.270 for deer #hunting. But what I need is a good bullet that won’t put me into the #poor house. I’ve loaded 130 gr boattails from both Sierra and Speer. I’ve had problems with the cores separating from the jackets. I plan to switch to flat based Hornady 130 grainers this year. I have had excellent results with Hornady flat bases in 24, 30, and 35 caliber. The Sierra and Speer flat bases may be just as good, I’ve never tried them. BTW If you get to loading for groundhogs, try the Sierra 110s Dale Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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Howdy All In the standard production bullets, several excellent suggestions have been posted. Allow me to add my very positive personal experience with the Speer Hot Core bullets. I have used them for years in my 270 Fwt, 130gr and have found them to be very reliable for expansion and weight retention. Last year I shot a large mule deer buck at 275 paces with the 100gr Hot Core out of a 25-06. Typically, one shot. mort Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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#BTW If you get to loading for groundhogs, try the Sierra 110s Dale< Mind if I ask what load you use? Al You don’t need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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#Hello to the list, I am now almost ready to reload my .270 for deer #hunting. But what I need is a good bullet that won’t put me into the #poor house. There is all these new improved technology bullets out #there and they are really expensive. I know that for years many hunters #have taken whitetail deer without all the bells and whistles in their #bullets. I use Sierra Game-King SPBTs in 130-grain for .270; 160-grain for 7mmRemMag. I’ve also used Nosler Partitions (same weight/caliber). I load both bullets to 2900 – 3000 fps muzzle velocity for their respective calibers. With "proper" shot selection and placement, neither will fail you. # Remington Coreloks have been around forever and are the cheapest. A #fellow hunter has recommended Speer SPT-BT, then there is the Nosler #partition which no one can argue is a very good big game bullet. Now we #have the Combined Technology, Hawk, Grand slam, Swift, Barnes #etc…..and boy are they expensive, some are a dollar apiece just for #the bullets. #Help, I plan on using the two pounds of Winchester Magnum Rifle that I #have and would like an economical bullet, or convince me that the new #improved technology bullets are really the way to go. #Thanks in advance #Al I’ve never used Winchester Magnum Rifle powder; my particular rifles seem to perform quite well with IMR-4350 (.270) and H-1000 (7Mag), as well as H-4831 in either rifle. Perhaps as a "carry-over" from my "day job" as a mainframe computer programmer, I learned long ago that "if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it." In the Chicagoland area, the Sierra Game-King bullets cost a little less than half what Nosler Partitions (the only other rifle bullet I’ve hand-loaded) cost in the same weight and diameter. Sierra will get my money "forever", even though I still buy the Nosler Partitions occasionally. -jc- — Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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Hello to the list, I am now almost ready to reload my .270 for deer hunting. But what I need is a good bullet that won’t put me into the poor house. There is all these new improved technology bullets out there and they are really expensive. I know that for years many hunters have taken whitetail deer without all the bells and whistles in their bullets. Remington Coreloks have been around forever and are the cheapest. A fellow hunter has recommended Speer SPT-BT, then there is the Nosler partition which no one can argue is a very good big game bullet. Now we have the Combined Technology, Hawk, Grand slam, Swift, Barnes etc…..and boy are they expensive, some are a dollar apiece just for the bullets. Help, I plan on using the two pounds of Winchester Magnum Rifle that I have and would like an economical bullet, or convince me that the new improved technology bullets are really the way to go. Thanks in advance Al You don’t need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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Sidearm Holster for Hunting?
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Better wear a shoulder holster. Reasons 1 doesn’t pull your trousers down on long hikes.2 A shoulder holster can be worn under outer garment, to prevent snagging on bushes, etc.3 A pistol belt and holstered gun tend to sag around the waist, and can even cause painful hip pains, by restricting some of the muscle movement in hips. Exceptions are suspender supported pistol belts. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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You might consider the Bianchi military flap holster; it always worked for me when I was under arms while in the Army, and I sometimes wear one on weekend forays into the local national forest. Only drawback is the military belt you’ll need to hold it, but it’s great for carrying other stuff too. That gun is a LOT more durable than you might think, and given the current anti-gun juggernaut rolling through this country, you may be forced to give that gun up – gratis – before you would ever want to sell it. Besides, why would you WANT to sell it? You bought it, didn’t you? -Norm
# I have a mind to carry a sidearm (Beretta 92FS 9mm) during *rifle* deer # hunting in New England. A CCW permit is in the works. # # My question — what kind of holster would be best for protecting this # expensive (in my world) firearm during my hunts? To me, "best" means # safety first, followed by keeping the firearm clean and dry. I don’t # think ease of draw/quick access are terribly crucial to me. # # (I expect lots of Beretta-lovers to say it can take a beating and still # work great, but I might sell it some day so I want it in great shape!) # # I’m seeing brands like Miltec and Lil’Mike’s? # # So — which brand(s) and holster model(s) are worth looking at? Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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Howdy – I have a mind to carry a sidearm (Beretta 92FS 9mm) during *rifle* deer hunting in New England. A CCW permit is in the works. My question — what kind of holster would be best for protecting this expensive (in my world) firearm during my hunts? To me, "best" means safety first, followed by keeping the firearm clean and dry. I don’t think ease of draw/quick access are terribly crucial to me. (I expect lots of Beretta-lovers to say it can take a beating and still work great, but I might sell it some day so I want it in great shape!) I’m seeing brands like Miltec and Lil’Mike’s? So — which brand(s) and holster model(s) are worth looking at? Thanks much. Ed Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
