Tucson Killings
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will do, my friend….donnah – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > We just had a Nursing student go off the deep end today. He walked into > a classroom and killed two instructors that had given him a flunking > grade and then he killed himself. Its a real mess. I got ahold of Lucy > and she is walking home. Its impossible to get anywhere close to campus > right now. This one struck pretty close to home as I have friends who > teach at the hospital. > As a culture we have gone completely insane. Way too many people seem to > think using a gun is a solution. Very depressing and sad day here in the > ol’ Pueblo. Students are devastated over the incident and its going to > take a lot of follow up counseling to get folks back to normal. > Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers today. > johnie
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> As a culture we have gone completely insane. Way too many people seem to > think using a gun is a solution. Very depressing and sad day here in the > ol’ Pueblo. Students are devastated over the incident and its going to > take a lot of follow up counseling to get folks back to normal.
I was just hearing this on NPR. Another very sad situation. We need to help more people learn effective ways of dealing with frustration, disappointment and angre, but I just don’t know how we do it on a large scale. We can just > Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers today.
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Thanks Harvey, I don’t know the answers, I don’t care for guns although my husband is a collector and does go hunting. I just see kids, and adults to be fair, in the workplace who don’t have a clue as to honoring one’s word, how to live up to making a commitment and following through. Owning up to one’s mistakes is too much to expect. We have all gotten too lax, too tolerant and too understanding. A little discipline never hurt anyone and usually makes a better person out of them. Everyone needs guidlines. Lyn > Hi Lyn, I sure like the way you think and express yourself. Is there > a price for children being raised without accountability, without > responsibility, are we seeing the answer, living with the answer? When > you blame the gun, are you condoning that kind of thinking, kind of way > of life? > Harv
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> As a culture we have gone completely insane. Way too many people seem to > think using a gun is a solution. Very depressing and sad day here in the > ol’ Pueblo. Students are devastated over the incident and its going to > take a lot of follow up counseling to get folks back to normal.
I talked with my parents in AZ and they were pretty upset about it also. I wonder how much of this is copy cat shootings? — Visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi Joyce, > I won’t get into the First Amendment, but the problem lies with people not > accepting responsibility for their actions. Example, the kid in OK who killed some > people because a neighbour cautioned him about his driving. Adults don’t bear > responsibility for events in their lives, it’s always someone elses fault. > Children are not brought up to take responsibility for their actions by their > parents and the schools have their hands tied as far as disciplining the students. > It’s time some responsibility was brought back into our lives. More laws won’t > solve anything. We have good laws on the books now that are not being enforced for > many reasons. Taking away guns won’t solve anything. > Lyn ( in Tucson)
Hi Lyn, I sure like the way you think and express yourself. Is there a price for children being raised without accountability, without responsibility, are we seeing the answer, living with the answer? When you blame the gun, are you condoning that kind of thinking, kind of way of life? Harv
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I knew I should have kept my big mouth shut. I do believe Education and Parental and Adult responsibility is the key. My father taught me to have a healthy respect for any type of weapon. I did mis-speak and want to correct it before this goes any further. I said in the earlier post…… "I do not believe that people should be able to buy game hunting weapons and even certain kinds of hand-guns with safety mechanisms like trigger locks installed." It should have read…" I do believe that people should be able to buy game hunting weapons and perhaps on a limited basis ‘handguns’ if they have good well thought out safety devices so they could not be used by a child or a stranger. SORRY ABOUT THAT MISREAD…..It was the opposite of what I meant to say. I can not voice strongly enough that EDUCATION and parental responsibility is the place to begin. johnie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Joyce, > It is sweet that someone would consider me beloved in any group >bg< but I > consider you a very much loved member of this NG. I think we are in agreement on > guns. I certainly don’t want to start a thread on gun laws. Its too political and > pushes way too many buttons. I am of the mind-set and have been for many years > that a strict gun registration program be put in place and that guns that are > built for the sole purpose of killing people (particularly semi-automatics) be > destroyed and banned from production. This would be a good start. I do not believe > that people should be able to buy game hunting weapons and even certain kinds of > hand-guns with safety mechanisms like trigger locks installed. I also believe that > the screening process needs to be much tougher for people wanting to buy guns. I > will not comment too much further because its a rocky, rough road to start a > discussion on. > I WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IN A THREAD ABOUT GUNS because I think it creates too many > ill feelings. I know there are many people here that do not believe guns should be > made harder to get and I do remember the last time this issue came up. It ended > badly. There is no need to go there again so I hope no one will. PLEASE. My > original post was there because it affected me so closely and directly. It was one > more horrible tragedy and it was carried out by someone that could have gotten a > gun no matter how tough a gun registration program could be. I do know that there > is something about American culture that play a large role in the problem. There > are a few European country’s with liberal gun laws but very low homicide rates. > The key appears to be EDUCATION. We have to change the way we think about guns as > they relate to problem solving and we have to do it one generation at a time until > we have a country that doesn’t associate PROBLEM SOLVING with THE USE OF GUNS. > There, I opened my big mouth and I hope it doesn’t start a thread we don’t need. > The world is stressful enough without us debating GUN CONTROL. > Joyce, you see, I think we are probably in agreement in most instances about gun > laws. Im sorry if my post was misleading in any way. I do not own a gun and most > if not all of my friends do not own guns. I was also raised in an environment > where carrying a gun was common. I kept a shotgun in my car as early as age 14 and > used one on the farm as early as age 10. My exposure to guns and their uses is > extensive. > And don’t forget that I consider you a beloved member of this group.>g< I just > hope we didn’t start a mini-flame war. There is just so much tragedy in the world > right now its overwhelming. God help us all. > johnie > >Way too many people seem to > >think using a gun is a solution. > Is that any surprise when we can’t seem to get a sensible national gun law > passed? Johnie, I know you are a cherished member of this NG, while I am only > a sometime visitor. I am thinking about the students there, certainly. And I > am wondering when we can all come to our senses and realize that we need to > disarm our population. > The right to bear arms was rational back when we were a small settlement of > farmers and small businesses, not even a nation, and we were about to embark on > a rebellion against what was then the most powerful empire in the world. They > were the bullies then. But they never turned their guns against their own > people. > It is not rational now. We are a different kind of society, open to one and > all. There is too much sorrow in every newspaper, on every newscast. I have > lived a long time and only a few of my years were during peacetime. That > dismays me. I live in a large city, but death by gunfire is not restricted to > large cities. > Johnie, I am not cross with you. Please don’t misunderstand me. I am just so > distraught about how we seem to be killing ourselves over nothing at all. > I’ll get over it, or maybe not. I would prefer not. I have still not gotten > over the desecration of my beloved city, New York. > Joyce
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Joyce, It is sweet that someone would consider me beloved in any group >bg< but I consider you a very much loved member of this NG. I think we are in agreement on guns. I certainly don’t want to start a thread on gun laws. Its too political and pushes way too many buttons. I am of the mind-set and have been for many years that a strict gun registration program be put in place and that guns that are built for the sole purpose of killing people (particularly semi-automatics) be destroyed and banned from production. This would be a good start. I do not believe that people should be able to buy game hunting weapons and even certain kinds of hand-guns with safety mechanisms like trigger locks installed. I also believe that the screening process needs to be much tougher for people wanting to buy guns. I will not comment too much further because its a rocky, rough road to start a discussion on. I WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IN A THREAD ABOUT GUNS because I think it creates too many ill feelings. I know there are many people here that do not believe guns should be made harder to get and I do remember the last time this issue came up. It ended badly. There is no need to go there again so I hope no one will. PLEASE. My original post was there because it affected me so closely and directly. It was one more horrible tragedy and it was carried out by someone that could have gotten a gun no matter how tough a gun registration program could be. I do know that there is something about American culture that play a large role in the problem. There are a few European country’s with liberal gun laws but very low homicide rates. The key appears to be EDUCATION. We have to change the way we think about guns as they relate to problem solving and we have to do it one generation at a time until we have a country that doesn’t associate PROBLEM SOLVING with THE USE OF GUNS. There, I opened my big mouth and I hope it doesn’t start a thread we don’t need. The world is stressful enough without us debating GUN CONTROL. Joyce, you see, I think we are probably in agreement in most instances about gun laws. Im sorry if my post was misleading in any way. I do not own a gun and most if not all of my friends do not own guns. I was also raised in an environment where carrying a gun was common. I kept a shotgun in my car as early as age 14 and used one on the farm as early as age 10. My exposure to guns and their uses is extensive. And don’t forget that I consider you a beloved member of this group.>g< I just hope we didn’t start a mini-flame war. There is just so much tragedy in the world right now its overwhelming. God help us all. johnie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Way too many people seem to >think using a gun is a solution. > Is that any surprise when we can’t seem to get a sensible national gun law > passed? Johnie, I know you are a cherished member of this NG, while I am only > a sometime visitor. I am thinking about the students there, certainly. And I > am wondering when we can all come to our senses and realize that we need to > disarm our population. > The right to bear arms was rational back when we were a small settlement of > farmers and small businesses, not even a nation, and we were about to embark on > a rebellion against what was then the most powerful empire in the world. They > were the bullies then. But they never turned their guns against their own > people. > It is not rational now. We are a different kind of society, open to one and > all. There is too much sorrow in every newspaper, on every newscast. I have > lived a long time and only a few of my years were during peacetime. That > dismays me. I live in a large city, but death by gunfire is not restricted to > large cities. > Johnie, I am not cross with you. Please don’t misunderstand me. I am just so > distraught about how we seem to be killing ourselves over nothing at all. > I’ll get over it, or maybe not. I would prefer not. I have still not gotten > over the desecration of my beloved city, New York. > Joyce
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>Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers today. >johnie
Mannnnnnnnnnn! How sad. Will for sure keep you all in thoughts and prayers. Rose
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Hi Joyce, I won’t get into the First Amendment, but the problem lies with people not accepting responsibility for their actions. Example, the kid in OK who killed some people because a neighbour cautioned him about his driving. Adults don’t bear responsibility for events in their lives, it’s always someone elses fault. Children are not brought up to take responsibility for their actions by their parents and the schools have their hands tied as far as disciplining the students. It’s time some responsibility was brought back into our lives. More laws won’t solve anything. We have good laws on the books now that are not being enforced for many reasons. Taking away guns won’t solve anything. Lyn ( in Tucson) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Way too many people seem to >think using a gun is a solution. > Is that any surprise when we can’t seem to get a sensible national gun law > passed? Johnie, I know you are a cherished member of this NG, while I am only > a sometime visitor. I am thinking about the students there, certainly. And I > am wondering when we can all come to our senses and realize that we need to > disarm our population. > The right to bear arms was rational back when we were a small settlement of > farmers and small businesses, not even a nation, and we were about to embark on > a rebellion against what was then the most powerful empire in the world. They > were the bullies then. But they never turned their guns against their own > people. > It is not rational now. We are a different kind of society, open to one and > all. There is too much sorrow in every newspaper, on every newscast. I have > lived a long time and only a few of my years were during peacetime. That > dismays me. I live in a large city, but death by gunfire is not restricted to > large cities. > Johnie, I am not cross with you. Please don’t misunderstand me. I am just so > distraught about how we seem to be killing ourselves over nothing at all. > I’ll get over it, or maybe not. I would prefer not. I have still not gotten > over the desecration of my beloved city, New York. > Joyce
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Johnnie, It’s already made the Phoenix news. Hard to believe that the quiet town I grew up in has been subjected to that kind of violence. Anne AAC/AAF/AFBV62.0844.AZ http://www.tckworld.com/opfoot
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>Way too many people seem to >think using a gun is a solution.
Is that any surprise when we can’t seem to get a sensible national gun law passed? Johnie, I know you are a cherished member of this NG, while I am only a sometime visitor. I am thinking about the students there, certainly. And I am wondering when we can all come to our senses and realize that we need to disarm our population. The right to bear arms was rational back when we were a small settlement of farmers and small businesses, not even a nation, and we were about to embark on a rebellion against what was then the most powerful empire in the world. They were the bullies then. But they never turned their guns against their own people. It is not rational now. We are a different kind of society, open to one and all. There is too much sorrow in every newspaper, on every newscast. I have lived a long time and only a few of my years were during peacetime. That dismays me. I live in a large city, but death by gunfire is not restricted to large cities. Johnie, I am not cross with you. Please don’t misunderstand me. I am just so distraught about how we seem to be killing ourselves over nothing at all. I’ll get over it, or maybe not. I would prefer not. I have still not gotten over the desecration of my beloved city, New York. Joyce
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We just had a Nursing student go off the deep end today. He walked into a classroom and killed two instructors that had given him a flunking grade and then he killed himself. Its a real mess. I got ahold of Lucy and she is walking home. Its impossible to get anywhere close to campus right now. This one struck pretty close to home as I have friends who teach at the hospital. As a culture we have gone completely insane. Way too many people seem to think using a gun is a solution. Very depressing and sad day here in the ol’ Pueblo. Students are devastated over the incident and its going to take a lot of follow up counseling to get folks back to normal. Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers today. johnie
