Shotguns
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That was much more detail than I really was looking for, but thanks for the help. — Please keep in mind, this post could have been written by an eleven year old kid whose dad left the computer on while he takes a nap. For that matter, so could yours. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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Wow, Didn’t sound like he was being anything but helpful. Much easier and quicker for you to read something that is already typed out than for him to retype an explanation. Call me crazy but I think you owe him an apology. I’ll say the same thing…read it at: http://www.recguns.com/IIIE4b.html it’s much better than I could explain it. Just my thoughts, Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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: Thank you. You’re welcome. -Scot I-really-do-know-this-stuff-and-wasn’t-being-an-arrogant-ass Heath — *** ANTI-SPAM ALERT *** Note the "removethis." in the return address. *** Scot E. Heath, P.E. "Nothing beats turning clay to dust." Fort Collins, CO Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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Thanks Scot, you have demonstrated more than adequately that you are really a nice guy. — Alan Stuart CPA PC 517-372-9976 Fax 517-372-5639 "Those who would trade their freedom for security will have neither.", Benjamin Franklin. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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Like any macho guy, I hate to ask a question because it makes me look as though I don;t know the answer, but I have no choice. Can anyone tell me? What is the difference between, trap shooting, skeet shooting, sporting clays. Thanks — "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it… Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." Abraham Lincoln, first inaugural address. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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: Like any macho guy, I hate to ask a question because it makes me look as : though I don;t know the answer, but I have no choice. : Can anyone tell me? What is the difference between, : trap shooting, : skeet shooting, : sporting clays. Take a look at the description of the three in the rec.guns FAQ: http://www.recguns.com/ -Scot — *** ANTI-SPAM ALERT *** Note the "removethis." in the return address. *** Scot E. Heath, P.E. "Nothing beats turning clay to dust." Fort Collins, CO Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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: Like any macho guy, I hate to ask a question because it makes me look as : though I don;t know the answer, but I have no choice. : Can anyone tell me? What is the difference between, : trap shooting, : skeet shooting, : sporting clays. : Thanks The quick answer is the angle/direction the clay pigeons are flying in respect to the shooter. samg Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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I checked there but it doesn’t answer my question. It is comforting though, to encounter someone else who doesn’t know the difference either. (I’m assuming that you don’t know or you would have simply answered my question. If you really do know the difference and were simply overcome by the urge to come across as an arrogant ass, I apologize.) — "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it… Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." Abraham Lincoln, first inaugural address. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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Trap has one house or thrower, 5 stations with a yardage handicap where depending on your skill level, you may either shoot from the 16 yard line ( novice ) to the 27 yard line. Gun is mounted before target is called for. Rising targets fly straight away and also angle left and right. 25 targets form a round of trap Skeet has two throwers, one called a high house and one called a low house. A skeet field forms a half circle and has 8 stations where the shooter shoots from. The various on a skeet field give different angles of presentation for the shooter from crossing shots to straight-away targets. Gun is mounted before target is called for. 25 targets form a round of skeet. Sporting clays is where a number of throwers are set up in situations to either duplicate shots often found while hunting or simply to challenge the shooter. Gun is not mounted before target is called for. There are also different size targets in sporting clays which fly or in the case of the rabbit target, hop differently than standard targets found in trap and skeet. Sporting Clays has been called "Golf with a shotgun" as you travel from station to station much like you travel from hole to hole in Golf. Sporting Clays is generally harder than either Trap or Skeet and usually you shoot 50 targets for a round. My personal recommendation is that a new shooter shoot some trap and skeet before they try sporting clays as trap and skeet are a bit easier and can help with learning some shooting fundamentals. Ya gotta walk before you can run. Lessons are a good idea also. Arch Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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>Can anyone tell me? What is the difference between, >trap shooting,
Most common in US is "five stand," moving to five positions either 16 or 27 yards from the pit, which throws 1 clay. >skeet shooting,
Two clay throwing houses, high and the low. The birds are thrown at an identical speed and height; you move around shooting high house then low house. At 4 of the stops, you follow your high / low shot with a true double. >sporting clays
There are two common types; 5 stand and walking through a course where you get a variety of pairs, true and report, with many variations in clay size and speed. Birds can come straight at you, pass through an opening in the trees, or jump straight up. Full size, midi, mini, and "the bunny" are the most common clays used. This is VERY brief, but is meant to be a very concise comparison. Randy Wakeman Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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Thank you. — "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it… Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." Abraham Lincoln, first inaugural address. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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: I checked there but it doesn’t answer my question. It is comforting though, : to encounter someone else who doesn’t know the difference either. (I’m : assuming that you don’t know or you would have simply answered my question. : If you really do know the difference and were simply overcome by the urge to : come across as an arrogant ass, I apologize.) Gee, here’s the article I was refering to. To save bandwidth and get more folks to use the FAQ, I generally don’t post it but since it appears you might be having trouble finding it, I’ll post it. I tried mailing it but it bounced: > What is trap shooting, skeet shooting and sporting clay shooting ? > Specifically, what is the difference between the three ?
Here is as brief an answer as I can give you about the three (actually 6) games you mentioned. American trap shooting, as governed by the Amateur Trap Shooting is composed of three different events. Singles, Handicap and Doubles. All events are shot on a field consisting of a house 5 runners spaced ~ 12 degrees apart and extending from 14.6 meters (16 yards) to 24.7 meters (27 yards) behind the house (top view shown below). ******* ***** *** * ___ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . RUNNERS —-> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Targets are thrown out of the house in a random arc but always at the same height. A total of 25 targets (50 in doubles) are shot in each sub-event on any one field. There are typically 5 contestants at a time, one on each runner. Beginning with the contestant on the far left runner, each contestant in turn calls for and receives a target (2 in doubles) then fires one shot at each target. After each contestant has fired 5 shots (10 in doubles), the contestants move one position to the right and the contestant on the far right moves to the far left station. Typically, a total of 100 targets are shot at by each contestant in any event, singles, handicap or doubles. Contestants all stand at the 16 yard line in singles and doubles. Contestants stands at various distances from 17 to 27 yards in handicap, depending upon past performance. Equipment is limited to shotguns no larger than 12 gauge and shells of a maximum of 1-1/8 oz of shot and 3 dram equiv. powder. International trap shooting differs quite a bit from ATA trap. A top view of the field is shown below. * * * * * | 1 2 3 4 5 6 Instead of one machine in the house, there are 15 machines in the bunker, three per pad. Each machine is pre-set for an angle and height and does not vary during any sub-event, however, the competitor does not know from which of the 3 machines related to any particular pad the target will be thrown. The targets are thrown much faster than in ATA trap. A sub event consists of 25 targets but they are shot differently than in ATA trap. As soon as the competitor on pad 2 shoots, the competitor on pad one moves to the right behind the competitor on pad 2. When the competitor on pad 3 shoots, the competitor on pad 2 moves to the right behind the competitor on pad 3 and the competitor who was waiting behind pad 2 moves into position to shoot from pad 2. This pattern of shoot/move/shoot/move is repeated non-stop until each competitor has fired at 25 targets. One of the main differences is that a competitor may fire at all targets 2 times, a hit on either shot counts as a dead target. The sport of international doubles now exists. In this game, targets are thrown from 2 of the 3 machines located in front of pad 3. Competitors shoot the same 2 targets from each pad, shooting and moving as described above. One shot is fired at each target, a round of shooting consists of 25 pairs or 50 targets. Equipment is limited to shotguns no larger than 12 gauge and shells of a maximum of 24 grams of shot and 3-1/4 dram equiv. powder. American skeet is shot on a field as shown below. LOW HOUSE HIGH HOUSE HOUSE–> |__| |_|1 |_|8 7|_| |__|<-HOUSE _ _ |_|2 6|_| _ _ |_|3 5|_| _ |_|4 The field consists of 8 pads, 7 of which are arranged in a semi circle and the eighth at the center of the semi-circle, and 2 houses where the target throwers reside. The targets are always thrown in exactly the same direction and at exactly the same height. The target out of the high house starts at approx 3.5 meters off the ground and is thrown nearly horizontally. The target out of the low house starts at nearly ground level and at the point the target paths cross, is the same height as the high house target, approximately 3 meters. Once again, a total of 25 targets are fired at by each competitor. The competitors take turns shooting from the pads in the order they are numbered with all competitors finishing each pad before proceeding. A perfect round of skeet is shot as noted below: Pad 1 – One high house target, one low house target, one of each thrown simultaneously (known as a pair). When shooting pairs, the target from the house closest to the competitor must be shot first, i.e., on pad 1, the high house target must be shot first. Pad 2 – One high house target, one low house target, one pair. Pad 3 – One high house target, one low house target. Pad 4 – One high house target, one low house target. Pad 5 – One high house target, one low house target. Pad 6 – One high house target, one low house target, one pair. Pad 7 – One high house target, one low house target, one pair. Pad 8 – One high house target, two low house targets. If a competitor misses a target, he/she will immediately attempt to shoot an identical target again ONLY ON THE FIRST MISS. When this happens, the last low house target on pad 8 is eliminated. Equipment is limited to shotguns no larger than 12 gauge and shells of a maximum of 1-1/8 oz of shot and 3 dram equiv. powder for the 12 gauge contest. There are typically also 20 gauge, 28 gauge and .410 bore contests as well; I don’t know what the requirements are for equipment here. International skeet is shot on a field identical to the American field, but the competitors must start with the butt of their guns touching an imaginary line running around their hips at the point of the hip bones. In the previous three games, contestants are allowed to shoulder their guns before calling for a target. In International skeet, there is a random delay of from 0 to 3 seconds between the time the contestant calls for the target and it actually appears. The gun must remain touching the line around the hips until the target appears. The target mix is somewhat different than American skeet: Pad 1 – One high house target, one pair (a target thrown from each house simultaneously) shooting the high house target first. Pad 2 – One high house target, one pair shooting the high house target first. Pad 3 – One high house target, one low house target, one pair shooting the high house target first. Pad 4 – One high house target, one low house target, one pair shooting the high house target first. Pad 5 – One high house target, one low house target, … read more »
