Rottweiler Mauling/Kansas
Question:
> you surely know that if a dog bites a > child..regardless of the reason..the dog pays dearly with it’s > life..whereas a child can hurt , pelt rocks at, spit on, and tease any > dog without any punishment
Actually, if the child is caught pelting rocks at a dog, it can be punished by the proper authorities. That’s animal abuse, and children aren’t immuned to abuse laws. Here in Edmonton, some kids found a stray puppy and were throwing it up in the air trying to get it onto an overpass. They managed to throw the dog up that high, injuring the dog of course. Luckily, the dog is fine now and is living in a loving adopted home. The kids were caught and they *were* punished for their actions (I’m not sure exactly what happened with the kids). Unfortunately, kids do still get away with alot of things that they really shouldn’t, and dogs are all too often the victims of some poorly raised kids teasing or abusing the dog, ending in a dog bite and death for the dog. — Vera Casteel Electrical Engineering —
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> Frankly, my dear, the owners of dogs ARE the ones who should bear the > responbility of their behavior, regardless of what the neighbors do or > don’t do. If they can’t train and care for them, they shouldn’t have > them.
Just as are the "owners" of children. The incident under discussion here was certainly the owners fault and not the child’s or the parents. But all too often a dog is provoked by ignorant or mean children, and the dog/owner is expected to bear all the blame. Not long ago I was driving and saw two kids throwing rocks at two "guard" dogs in a car lot. There was an 8′ fence, and the dogs weren’t even looking at the kids, they were sizing up that fence. I stopped and drove the kids off. But one of these days, those kids will be bitten, and everyone will act like’they are completely innocent of fault.
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> > Frankly, my dear, the owners of dogs ARE the ones who should bear the > responbility of their behavior, regardless of what the neighbors do or > don’t do. If they can’t train and care for them, they shouldn’t have > them. > Just as are the "owners" of children. The incident under discussion > here was certainly the owners fault and not the child’s or the > parents. But all too often a dog is provoked by ignorant or > mean children, and the dog/owner is expected to bear all the blame.
I agree with this statement..I have had a horrible problem with a "child"..I think the word "demon" would be more fitting that punched my rottie in the eye..as she jumped up on the fence to greet him…with a lick of course…now mind you he stepped into my flowerbed to punch her…After speaking to his parents I soon realized that I was not going to get anywhere..so instead I now will not let them outside unless I am right there..at all times..yes this is a pain at times..but I have learned to work my chores around our dog’s fun time outside…However this is necessary..you surely know that if a dog bites a child..regardless of the reason..the dog pays dearly with it’s life..whereas a child can hurt , pelt rocks at, spit on, and tease any dog without any punishment…I guess what I am saying is that IF you love you dogs..you will take the extra steps to insure that people don’t have the opportunity to tease or torment the dog…you will protect it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Not long ago I was driving and saw two kids throwing rocks at > two "guard" dogs in a car lot. There was an 8′ fence, and the > dogs weren’t even looking at the kids, they were sizing up that > fence. I stopped and drove the kids off. But one of these > days, those kids will be bitten, and everyone will act like’they are completely innocent of fault.
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Hi there, This is insane! This dog needs to be either put to sleep or kept in a covered kennel with a double door area where he will never see freedom again. Had this been MY son the dog would have been taken care of soon after (12 g. shotgun). Some animals, like some humans, do not deserve to live. Doglady – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Last I heard, the dog was still with Animal Control. It took a > helicoptor, an animal control officer, five policeman, and a slew of > fireman to capture the animal. > Is this insane, or what? > Kathy Fowkes
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: This is insane! This dog needs to be either put to sleep or kept in a : covered kennel with a double door area where he will never see freedom : again. Had this been MY son the dog would have been taken care of soon : after (12 g. shotgun). Some animals, like some humans, do not deserve to : live. Doglady The woman who posted the story kept catching the dog in the act of hunting children. She kept returning it to it’s yard, and evidently repeated the process several times a day. How did she think it was going to end? : > Last I heard, the dog was still with Animal Control. It took a : > helicoptor, an animal control officer, five policeman, and a slew of : > fireman to capture the animal. : > : > Is this insane, or what? : > : > Kathy Fowkes : > — Elaine Gallegos
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The mauled child could just as easily have been her own. Her daughter was terrified of the dog, as it had hunted her several times on her way to school. The mother just returned the dog to the yard to give it another opportunity to attack.
: Your mauling report is indeed tragic. But it is made even more tragic by : the fact that your neighborhood did nothing to prevent it? Why did you : take no action to see to it that this dog was not contained? You already : stated that you knew he was a biter, territorial and showed hostility : toward children. Yet you and your neighbors took no legal action. There : is no question that the owner is primarily to blame and clearly : irresponsible for not controlling such a dog. But I think your entire : neighborhood must share part of the blame. What possible excuse can you : have for ignoring this behavior? I hope the dog is awaiting the judges : order to be put down at the shelter. There is no way this dog should be : kept by anyone. As for animal rights activists, I hope you realize there : are extremists in any movement. : > We had a mauling just down the street here last month. A mixed-breed dog, : > MoJo, has been jumping a 6-foot fence every morning as the kids walk to : > school. It would stand on the sidewalk and stare intently at the : > children as they came toward him. He looked ready to spring on them at : > any moment. It ran from adults, though. I was able to return it to its : > back yard several times, but it just leaped the fence a minute later. We : > parents had to go outside and chase the dog away in order for our : > children, who walked in groups of 4 or more, to walk to school. It had : > bitten a neighbor boy not long before, but had been provoked into it. : > savaged by Mojo. The dog’s mouth was able to almost entirely cover the : > top of the boy’s head and whip the boy’s body around like a rag doll. The : > boy would have lost half his face if he hadn’t put up his arms to cover : > it. : > Last I heard, the dog was still with Animal Control. It took a : > helicoptor, an animal control officer, five policeman, and a slew of : > fireman to capture the animal. : > : > Is this insane, or what? : > : > Kathy Fowkes : > — Elaine Gallegos
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> Your mauling report is indeed tragic. But it is made even more tragic by > the fact that your neighborhood did nothing to prevent it? Why did you > take no action to see to it that this dog was not contained?
In my first post I was mentioning everything that occurred leading up to the mauling. What I didn’t say was that I learned everything (except having to take the dog back to it’s own yard myself because my daughter was afraid of it standing there on the sidewalk) AFTER the mauling. NOT before. The neighbors and I didn’t compare notes prior to the mauling, and the family of the bite victim never said a word to the rest of us about it, again until AFTER the fact. I had attempted to talk to the owner about it getting out, with no luck. I found out later the owner had told other neighbors that the dog was not a threat to the children in the neighborhood because it had never hurt children before, yadda yadda yadda. The dog’s family had children, too, and had always been wonderful with them, same old song. As far as the earlier bite, I learned (the night of the mauling AFTER it occurred) from the child’s parents that the bite was extremely provoked and so they didn’t call animal control about it, or attempt to hold the dog’s owner liable. YES, much more could have been done, IF everything had been known by everyone else. That didn’t happen in this case. We were each attempting to get some response from the owner at this point. We acted reasonably and responsibly, given the information we each had. Like I said earlier, we were each operating in a vaccuum. All that information came to light AFTERwards. Enough! You can say anything you want, but I won’t be reading this particular thread further. Enjoy your judgement and condemnation of me to your heart’s content. I’d just like to see all of you who think the neighborhood is to blame for this mauling, when the OWNER didn’t take proper care of his pet, predict the mauling or the rape or the crime or murder committed by your neighbor or his/her dog before it happens. Hindsight is always 20/20. K. Fowkes
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says… > To tell you the truth, Kathy, (etc)
I realized I didn’t mention the time frame. It was only a matter of weeks. They’d just moved in. There wasn’t enough time to, as you put it, "make our community safe" from this dog before the mauling. As a dog owner, would you rather have the neighbors come to you first, or animal control at your door dragging your dog away? We were trying to do the right thing. It’s like any crime–you don’t expect it to happen in your neighborhood until it does. K. Fowkes
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That dog should have checked your schedule. He needed to give ample time for everyone to plan a defence. Preventing the mauling of a little child takes time.
: says… : > To tell you the truth, Kathy, (etc) : I realized I didn’t mention the time frame. It was only a matter of : weeks. They’d just moved in. There wasn’t enough time to, as you put : it, "make our community safe" from this dog before the mauling. As a dog : owner, would you rather have the neighbors come to you first, or animal : control at your door dragging your dog away? We were trying to do the : right thing. It’s like any crime–you don’t expect it to happen in your : neighborhood until it does. : K. Fowkes — Elaine Gallegos
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: We had a mauling just down the street here last month. A mixed-breed dog, : MoJo, has been jumping a 6-foot fence every morning as the kids walk to : school. It would stand on the sidewalk and stare intently at the : children as they came toward him. He looked ready to spring on them at : any moment. It ran from adults, though. I was able to return it to its : back yard several times, You were able to return it to it’s ambush position time and time again to get another shot at the children. Congratulations. You and your dog accomplice eventually succeeded in properly nailing a little kid. but it just leaped the fence a minute later. We : parents had to go outside and chase the dog away in order for our : children, who walked in groups of 4 or more, to walk to school. It had : bitten a neighbor boy not long before, but had been provoked into it. : The owner never seemed to be home, his wife had just left him, and the : dog was left in the backyard unattended all day in the AZ heat with food : and water left for him and plenty of shade. The owner knew it could jump : the fence, even put a token barrier over the gate, but it never stopped : the dog. : One evening a six year old boy down the street stepped out into his side : yard to visit with his own dogs. He took just a few steps before he was : jumped on from behind, his scalp ripped off his head, and his arms : savaged by Mojo. The dog’s mouth was able to almost entirely cover the : top of the boy’s head and whip the boy’s body around like a rag doll. The : boy would have lost half his face if he hadn’t put up his arms to cover : it. The boy’s parents were home and they were able to chase off the dog : and save their son. He had done absolutely nothing save walk out into : his own yard. He didn’t even know Mojo was there. It shouldn’t have : been there. The boy received 50 stitches in his head, and a few more on : his arms. : With this kind of attack, and the second time the dog has bitten a human, : you’d think the owner would recognize and admit the need of having the : dog put down. He even admitted his responsibility that night to my : husband and I. But in the days following, the wife returned to her : husband (it was her dog) and the owner was now fighting to keep the dog : anyway. The "law" for once was firm on this–it could not come back to : this neighborhood. If it had, I would have shot it myself rather than : risk my children’s lives. But the owner managed to get all the animal : activitists on his side, and they are now attempting to find it a new : home in some other neighborhood. : Last I heard, the dog was still with Animal Control. It took a : helicoptor, an animal control officer, five policeman, and a slew of : fireman to capture the animal. : Is this insane, or what? : Kathy Fowkes — Elaine Gallegos
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> Friday April 25 5:12 AM EDT > (MILFORD, Kansas) _ Three dogs attacked and killed an 11-year-old boy > yesterday as his younger brother and children aboard their school bus > looked on. (According to a published report in the Kansas City > Star)…
We had a mauling just down the street here last month. A mixed-breed dog, MoJo, has been jumping a 6-foot fence every morning as the kids walk to school. It would stand on the sidewalk and stare intently at the children as they came toward him. He looked ready to spring on them at any moment. It ran from adults, though. I was able to return it to its back yard several times, but it just leaped the fence a minute later. We parents had to go outside and chase the dog away in order for our children, who walked in groups of 4 or more, to walk to school. It had bitten a neighbor boy not long before, but had been provoked into it. The owner never seemed to be home, his wife had just left him, and the dog was left in the backyard unattended all day in the AZ heat with food and water left for him and plenty of shade. The owner knew it could jump the fence, even put a token barrier over the gate, but it never stopped the dog. One evening a six year old boy down the street stepped out into his side yard to visit with his own dogs. He took just a few steps before he was jumped on from behind, his scalp ripped off his head, and his arms savaged by Mojo. The dog’s mouth was able to almost entirely cover the top of the boy’s head and whip the boy’s body around like a rag doll. The boy would have lost half his face if he hadn’t put up his arms to cover it. The boy’s parents were home and they were able to chase off the dog and save their son. He had done absolutely nothing save walk out into his own yard. He didn’t even know Mojo was there. It shouldn’t have been there. The boy received 50 stitches in his head, and a few more on his arms. With this kind of attack, and the second time the dog has bitten a human, you’d think the owner would recognize and admit the need of having the dog put down. He even admitted his responsibility that night to my husband and I. But in the days following, the wife returned to her husband (it was her dog) and the owner was now fighting to keep the dog anyway. The "law" for once was firm on this–it could not come back to this neighborhood. If it had, I would have shot it myself rather than risk my children’s lives. But the owner managed to get all the animal activitists on his side, and they are now attempting to find it a new home in some other neighborhood. Last I heard, the dog was still with Animal Control. It took a helicoptor, an animal control officer, five policeman, and a slew of fireman to capture the animal. Is this insane, or what? Kathy Fowkes
Response:
Your mauling report is indeed tragic. But it is made even more tragic by the fact that your neighborhood did nothing to prevent it? Why did you take no action to see to it that this dog was not contained? You already stated that you knew he was a biter, territorial and showed hostility toward children. Yet you and your neighbors took no legal action. There is no question that the owner is primarily to blame and clearly irresponsible for not controlling such a dog. But I think your entire neighborhood must share part of the blame. What possible excuse can you have for ignoring this behavior? I hope the dog is awaiting the judges order to be put down at the shelter. There is no way this dog should be kept by anyone. As for animal rights activists, I hope you realize there are extremists in any movement. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> We had a mauling just down the street here last month. A mixed-breed dog, > MoJo, has been jumping a 6-foot fence every morning as the kids walk to > school. It would stand on the sidewalk and stare intently at the > children as they came toward him. He looked ready to spring on them at > any moment. It ran from adults, though. I was able to return it to its > back yard several times, but it just leaped the fence a minute later. We > parents had to go outside and chase the dog away in order for our > children, who walked in groups of 4 or more, to walk to school. It had > bitten a neighbor boy not long before, but had been provoked into it. > savaged by Mojo. The dog’s mouth was able to almost entirely cover the > top of the boy’s head and whip the boy’s body around like a rag doll. The > boy would have lost half his face if he hadn’t put up his arms to cover > it. > Last I heard, the dog was still with Animal Control. It took a > helicoptor, an animal control officer, five policeman, and a slew of > fireman to capture the animal. > Is this insane, or what? > Kathy Fowkes
Response:
says… > To tell you the truth, Kathy, the community had plenty of warning both > that the dog was an immediate threat to all children, and that the owners > were not going to do anything about it. The injuries on the child are > more the fault of the adults who had repeated warnings about the danger. > All of you had ample warning and opportunity to make your community safe > from this animal. It was obviously a mauling waiting to happen. > Quit pointing the finger at each other and assume the blame for your own > behavior.
Duh! You think we didn’t?! Frankly, my dear, the owners of dogs ARE the ones who should bear the responbility of their behavior, regardless of what the neighbors do or don’t do. If they can’t train and care for them, they shouldn’t have them. Kathy Fowkes
Response:
To tell you the truth, Kathy, the community had plenty of warning both that the dog was an immediate threat to all children, and that the owners were not going to do anything about it. The injuries on the child are more the fault of the adults who had repeated warnings about the danger. All of you had ample warning and opportunity to make your community safe from this animal. It was obviously a mauling waiting to happen. Quit pointing the finger at each other and assume the blame for your own behavior.
: > Friday April 25 5:12 AM EDT : > : > (MILFORD, Kansas) _ Three dogs attacked and killed an 11-year-old boy : > yesterday as his younger brother and children aboard their school bus : > looked on. (According to a published report in the Kansas City : > Star)… : We had a mauling just down the street here last month. A mixed-breed dog, : MoJo, has been jumping a 6-foot fence every morning as the kids walk to : school. It would stand on the sidewalk and stare intently at the : children as they came toward him. He looked ready to spring on them at : any moment. It ran from adults, though. I was able to return it to its : back yard several times, but it just leaped the fence a minute later. We : parents had to go outside and chase the dog away in order for our : children, who walked in groups of 4 or more, to walk to school. It had : bitten a neighbor boy not long before, but had been provoked into it. : The owner never seemed to be home, his wife had just left him, and the : dog was left in the backyard unattended all day in the AZ heat with food : and water left for him and plenty of shade. The owner knew it could jump : the fence, even put a token barrier over the gate, but it never stopped : the dog. : One evening a six year old boy down the street stepped out into his side : yard to visit with his own dogs. He took just a few steps before he was : jumped on from behind, his scalp ripped off his head, and his arms : savaged by Mojo. The dog’s mouth was able to almost entirely cover the : top of the boy’s head and whip the boy’s body around like a rag doll. The : boy would have lost half his face if he hadn’t put up his arms to cover : it. The boy’s parents were home and they were able to chase off the dog : and save their son. He had done absolutely nothing save walk out into : his own yard. He didn’t even know Mojo was there. It shouldn’t have : been there. The boy received 50 stitches in his head, and a few more on : his arms. : With this kind of attack, and the second time the dog has bitten a human, : you’d think the owner would recognize and admit the need of having the : dog put down. He even admitted his responsibility that night to my : husband and I. But in the days following, the wife returned to her : husband (it was her dog) and the owner was now fighting to keep the dog : anyway. The "law" for once was firm on this–it could not come back to : this neighborhood. If it had, I would have shot it myself rather than : risk my children’s lives. But the owner managed to get all the animal : activitists on his side, and they are now attempting to find it a new : home in some other neighborhood. : Last I heard, the dog was still with Animal Control. It took a : helicoptor, an animal control officer, five policeman, and a slew of : fireman to capture the animal. : Is this insane, or what? : Kathy Fowkes — Elaine Gallegos
