Nutria Hunters

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I’m making a documentary film about nutria, a rodent species from Argentina that manages to wreak a lot of ecological damage wherever it ends up. Curious to hear your experiences in hunting this varmint and where you’ve been able to find markets for fur or meat. I’m especially interested in hunters in Maryland and Southeast Louisiana, as these are the areas I’m focusing on. Thanks for your help. -Ted Gesing Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Sent information by direct E-mail, but why is it there are sveral demands for meat that could well be served by abundant native or non-native mammals and fish and they go untapped as a source (carcass of a furbearer for instance) LouisB Just an opinion of course! i.e.   nutria, muskrat, beaver, carp. buffalo, drum.  Surethere are many more examples out there! Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Ted, my nutria policy, like nearly everyone I know in the area, is SHOOT ON SIGHT.  Nutria cost me thousands of dollars each year in path and canal repairs, core ditching, and pumping hours.  My personal best for a day is only 14 or so, and I know there are guys out there who do far better than that.  As far as uses, they feed turtles and foxes pretty well.  The population in Hyde County, NC is as high as (or higher than) anywhere else I know of.  So far, my favorite Instruments of Eradication are a .22LR rifle, 12ga shotgun, .35Rem rifle, and crabpots.  The crabpot is really the best tool thus far- don’t have to be there to catch the little buggers.  We have had some trouble recently with bears destroying the traps, but that’s another matter altogether.  I’d be more than happy to help you in your work- just let me know what you need. -Russ <*(((><{   <*(((><{   <*(((><{   <*(((><{ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– Newsgroups: rec.hunting Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 9:20 PM > I’m making a documentary film about nutria, a rodent species from > Argentina that manages to wreak a lot of ecological damage wherever it > ends up. Curious to hear your experiences in hunting this varmint and > where you’ve been able to find markets for fur or meat. > I’m especially interested in hunters in Maryland and Southeast > Louisiana, as these are the areas I’m focusing on. > Thanks for your help. > -Ted Gesing > Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: >         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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9 mm shotgun

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> WoW I’ve never seen one of those could you please send me any info you > have on it? > Thanks In Advance

Winchester mdl 36, mfd 1920-27. Looks like a 1900-02-04 22 rifle. 9mm rimfire. If Anschutz or anyone else is making one currently, I WANT ONE!.  Any info on current ammo dimensions/availability? Ammo in 9mm here in U.S. is a collector item. Bill Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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> Winchester mdl 36, mfd 1920-27. Looks like a 1900-02-04 22 rifle. 9mm > rimfire. > If Anschutz or anyone else is making one currently, I WANT ONE!.  Any info > on current ammo dimensions/availability? Ammo in 9mm here in U.S. is a > collector item.

Here in the UK, 9mm garden guns, rook rifles, whatever you want to call ‘em do crop up from time to time and someone recently confirmed at uk.rec.shooting.game that the ammo (which is a shotgun load in a rimfire case) is still available new – but it’s not cheap – a bit like .410 but worse. If they’re available in the UK, they simply must be available over your side of the pond. Having said that, most interest lies in little old guns, sometimes hammer guns, which pop up in general auctions and the likes. HTH Pete www.the-proof-reader.co.uk LIBERTY & LIVELIHOOD – Have you registered yet? www.march-info.org Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Marlin makes a .22 mag "garden gun" smoothbore bolt action "shotgun"…. -jeff Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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> WoW I’ve never seen one of those could you please send me any info you > have on it? > Thanks In Advance

I’ll see what i can dig up. I saw the brochure on one at my local gunsmith, and fell for it. What I remember is that it is an "Anschutz" rifle (I’m not to certain of the spelling, but it is German) The cartrigdes are about 3-5 cm long, and 9 mm wide, and contains 12,5 grams of lead. The shotgun itself is a small one, verymuch resembeling a .22 Long Rifle. It is used for shooting small birds in th fruityards, since the lead grains are so small they will not destroy flowers/fruit. It is not made for Links  (left handed) shooters, only right. Also it is suposet to have about similar recoil as a .22LR. This is not confirmed, only based on rumors and explanations. Since I dont know where you live, I can’t tell you how to get one, but here in Norway, you can order it from your local gunsmithts. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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I’m considering to buy a 9mm (bolt actionn) shotgun tu use on very small birds. Does anyone have some experience in this caliber? And how is the recoil and accuracy? — Anja Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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WoW I’ve never seen one of those could you please send me any info you have on it? Thanks In Advance "That’s all we can expect from a man, this side of the grave: his good is – knowing he is bad." Robert Browning Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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I’m considering to buy a 9 mm shotgun (bolt action). Does anyone have any experience with such a weapon? And how is recoil and accuracy? — Anja Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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The only reference to 9mm shotgun I’ve heard is from my uncle. He said he had one in the Army Air Corp and they used them to shoot birds inside the hangers. I’d love to know if somebody is making them now! Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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> I’m considering to buy a 9mm (bolt actionn) shotgun tu use on very small > birds. > Does anyone have some experience in this caliber? And how is the recoil > and accuracy?

Now mostly regarded as a curiosity in the UK and commonly known as a "Garden gun". Rimfire cartridges, low range and retort and, I would have thought, zero recoil. Suitable for knocking pigeons off the chimney without destroying your roof! Pete www.the-proof-reader.co.uk "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Attributed to Voltaire. Pete www.the-proof-reader.co.uk LIBERTY & LIVELIHOOD – Have you registered yet? www.march-info.org Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Humor – Car Drivers

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I love ‘em!  Keepers, Dawn, thanks. mmm OF — No new mail detected.  Begin whine/pout routine? [y/n]

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ONE BAD DAY There was this little guy sitting inside a bar, just looking at his drink. He didn’t move for a half-an-hour. Then, this big trouble-making truck driver stepped up right next to him, took the drink from the guy, and just drank it all down. The poor man started crying. The truck driver turned and said: "Come on man, I was just joking. Here, I’ll buy you another drink. I just can’t stand to see a man crying." "No, it’s not that. Today is the worst day of my life. First, I overslept and was late for an important meeting. My boss became outraged and fired me. When I left the building to my car, I found out that it was stolen. The police said they could do nothing. I then got a cab to return home, and after I paid the cab driver and the cab had gone, I found that I left my wallet in the cab. I got home only to find my wife was in bed with the gardener. I left home depressed and came to this bar. And now, when I was thinking about putting an end to my life, YOU show up and drink my poison." –Submitted by Mandy HOW TO IDENTIFY WHERE A DRIVER IS FROM 1. One hand on wheel, one hand on horn: Chicago. 2. One hand on wheel, one finger out window: New York. 3. One hand on wheel, one finger out window, cutting across all lanes of traffic: New Jersey. 4. One hand on wheel, one hand on newspaper, foot solidly on accelerator: Boston. 5. One hand on wheel, one hand on nonfat double decaf cappuccino, cradling cell phone, brick on accelerator, with gun in lap: Los Angeles. 6. Both hands on wheel, eyes shut, both feet on brake, quivering in terror: Ohio, but driving in California. 7. Both hands in air, gesturing, both feet on accelerator, head turned to talk to someone in back seat: Italy. 8. One hand on latte, one knee on wheel, cradling cell phone, foot on brake, mind on radio game: Seattle. 9. One hand on wheel, one hand on hunting rifle, alternating between both feet being on the accelerator and both feet on brake, throwing McDonald’s bag out the window: Texas. 10. Four-wheel drive pick-up truck, shotgun mounted in rear window, beer cans on floor, squirrel tails attached to antenna: West Virginia. 11. Two hands gripping wheel, blue hair barely visible above the steering wheel, driving in the left lane at 35 on the Interstate with the left blinker on: Florida. Monika

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ONE BAD DAY There was this little guy sitting inside a bar, just looking at his drink. He didn’t move for a half-an-hour. Then, this big trouble-making truck driver stepped up right next to him, took the drink from the guy, and just drank it all down. The poor man started crying. The truck driver turned and said: "Come on man, I was just joking. Here, I’ll buy you another drink. I just can’t stand to see a man crying." "No, it’s not that. Today is the worst day of my life. First, I overslept and was late for an important meeting. My boss became outraged and fired me. When I left the building to my car, I found out that it was stolen. The police said they could do nothing. I then got a cab to return home, and after I paid the cab driver and the cab had gone, I found that I left my wallet in the cab. I got home only to find my wife was in bed with the gardener. I left home depressed and came to this bar. And now, when I was thinking about putting an end to my life, YOU show up and drink my poison." –Submitted by Mandy HOW TO IDENTIFY WHERE A DRIVER IS FROM 1. One hand on wheel, one hand on horn: Chicago. 2. One hand on wheel, one finger out window: New York. 3. One hand on wheel, one finger out window, cutting across all lanes of traffic: New Jersey. 4. One hand on wheel, one hand on newspaper, foot solidly on accelerator: Boston. 5. One hand on wheel, one hand on nonfat double decaf cappuccino, cradling cell phone, brick on accelerator, with gun in lap: Los Angeles. 6. Both hands on wheel, eyes shut, both feet on brake, quivering in terror: Ohio, but driving in California. 7. Both hands in air, gesturing, both feet on accelerator, head turned to talk to someone in back seat: Italy. 8. One hand on latte, one knee on wheel, cradling cell phone, foot on brake, mind on radio game: Seattle. 9. One hand on wheel, one hand on hunting rifle, alternating between both feet being on the accelerator and both feet on brake, throwing McDonald’s bag out the window: Texas. 10. Four-wheel drive pick-up truck, shotgun mounted in rear window, beer cans on floor, squirrel tails attached to antenna: West Virginia. 11. Two hands gripping wheel, blue hair barely visible above the steering wheel, driving in the left lane at 35 on the Interstate with the left blinker on: Florida. Monika

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I love ‘em!  Keepers, Dawn, thanks. mmm OF — No new mail detected.  Begin whine/pout routine? [y/n]

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Benelli Shotguns….Opinions?

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I’ve have had two years of experience with an M90 12 ga.Bought it because I had a couple of bad experiences with my 11-87 Remington.A very full week of shooting in Argentina on dove, two cases a day, and the only problem was the pistol grip cap fell out after extensive shooting.I stripped and thoroughly cleaned the gun every evening.Also a lot of skeet shooting over the last two years and no problems.However—two years of ducking hunting experience in cold weather has revealed one definite weakness.Keep it absolutely dry of oil when cleaning during cold weather.Same experience on the skeet range during cold weather; the slightest amount of oil left in the action will slow it down to a creep! First indication is slooowww closing of the receiver; second indication is receiver doesn’t close fully  and gun won’t shoot.Had this happen to both myself and my hunting partner during a duck hunt with a large group of canvas backs coming in!!All in all, it’s a nice gun BUT– my old Remington 1100 and my not -so -old 11-87 were probably just as reliable (with less kick) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– Newsgroups: rec.hunting Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 7:46 AM > I have both a BSE and M90 and both are incredibly fast and reliable. > The felt recoil is maybe 10% more than gas like the Remingtons but > when you take a Benelli apart and see how few parts there it certainly > inspires a lot of confidence IMO. RJ >Any feedback on the reliability of the Benelli shotguns?…I am considering a >Montefeltro in 20ga for upland shooting and and a Super Black Eagle for Ducks >and Turkeys.  How is the felt recoil compared to a gas operated semi?…thanks >for any feedback. >Rick >Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: >        http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ > Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: >         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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I have both a BSE and M90 and both are incredibly fast and reliable. The felt recoil is maybe 10% more than gas like the Remingtons but when you take a Benelli apart and see how few parts there it certainly inspires a lot of confidence IMO. RJ >Any feedback on the reliability of the Benelli shotguns?…I am considering a >Montefeltro in 20ga for upland shooting and and a Super Black Eagle for Ducks >and Turkeys.  How is the felt recoil compared to a gas operated semi?…thanks >for any feedback. >Rick >Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: >        http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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There are many that swear by them. Personally, I feel they are over-priced, hard kicking monsters with lousy triggers that have buttstocks that are as far away from fitting me as possible. I’ll stick w/ my 303 and 390 Berettas, and particularly like the Browning Gold in 20 gauge. Who knows? You might love them- Randy Wakeman Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Best and only gun I’ll ever shoot.  Great for all types of loads.  What a fantastic all around gun — www.shirtguy.net Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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I have owned an SBE for 3 years. Hunted pheasant, quail, dove and turkey with it as well as gone through dozens of cases of light loads shooting trap without a single shell not ejected or a jam. I love the flexibility and having the 3 1/2 available for turkey’s is reassuring even if you may not need it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Any feedback on the reliability of the Benelli shotguns? > Rick, > I hate to be the only spoil-sport, but I had a Bennelli SBE in 12 ga. for 5 > years & won’t ever own another.  About 6 months after I bought it, it jammed > while hunting ducks.  I couldn’t clear it, so I did the always risky > on-the-marsh disassembly.  I knew I was hosed when the bolt locking pin fell > into my hand in three pieces.  Nobody in town (Kansas City, MO)  had a > replacement part, because Bennellis never break.  I had to call HK & they > overnighted me the part.  I lost three days of hunting.  I’d sold my previous > gun to afford the SBE, figuring I wouldn’t need a backup with the most reliable > gun on the market.  On the bright side, it did disassemble easily, and the tech > at HK that I spoke with was very nice. He said they’d had a part run with metal > that was too brittle. > The next season, the gun began to cycle more slowly.  No amount of cleaning > would help.  When I was effectively hunting with a very expensive single shot > (to the delight of my 870 shooting friends) I finally tore the gun down as far > as possible.  I found a recoil spring that ran down a bar inside the stock.  It > was so rusted and corroded that the spring was too weak to cycle the gun. > There wasn’t any mention of this possibility anywhere in the owner’s manual. > Nor was there any insruction to clean this part of the gun during maintenance. > I admit that I hunt long, often, and hard, so my guns are subjected to the > toughest conditions.  Perhaps I should have forseen this problem.  In my > opinion, Bennelli should have forseen this problem.  I’ve seen aftermarket > parts made of stainless in an effort to address this issue, so I must not be > the only one to experience it.  I had to ship it back & they repaired it.  I > finally went out and bought a Browning Gold Hunter this past fall.  It > performed flawlessly.  Unfortunately, it was stolen with my truck.  When I go > shopping for a replacement, I won’t be looking at the Bennelli’s. > Hope this helps. > TB > Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: >         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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>Any feedback on the reliability of the Benelli shotguns?

Rick, I hate to be the only spoil-sport, but I had a Bennelli SBE in 12 ga. for 5 years & won’t ever own another.  About 6 months after I bought it, it jammed while hunting ducks.  I couldn’t clear it, so I did the always risky on-the-marsh disassembly.  I knew I was hosed when the bolt locking pin fell into my hand in three pieces.  Nobody in town (Kansas City, MO)  had a replacement part, because Bennellis never break.  I had to call HK & they overnighted me the part.  I lost three days of hunting.  I’d sold my previous gun to afford the SBE, figuring I wouldn’t need a backup with the most reliable gun on the market.  On the bright side, it did disassemble easily, and the tech at HK that I spoke with was very nice. He said they’d had a part run with metal that was too brittle. The next season, the gun began to cycle more slowly.  No amount of cleaning would help.  When I was effectively hunting with a very expensive single shot (to the delight of my 870 shooting friends) I finally tore the gun down as far as possible.  I found a recoil spring that ran down a bar inside the stock.  It was so rusted and corroded that the spring was too weak to cycle the gun. There wasn’t any mention of this possibility anywhere in the owner’s manual. Nor was there any insruction to clean this part of the gun during maintenance. I admit that I hunt long, often, and hard, so my guns are subjected to the toughest conditions.  Perhaps I should have forseen this problem.  In my opinion, Bennelli should have forseen this problem.  I’ve seen aftermarket parts made of stainless in an effort to address this issue, so I must not be the only one to experience it.  I had to ship it back & they repaired it.  I finally went out and bought a Browning Gold Hunter this past fall.  It performed flawlessly.  Unfortunately, it was stolen with my truck.  When I go shopping for a replacement, I won’t be looking at the Bennelli’s. Hope this helps. TB Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Oh Cush I must disagree, My Bennellis’ recoil is much less than my 870, after two back surgeries I can’t handle 3in mag in any pump but shot almost  2 cases with my Bennelli. I found very little difference between 11-87, Browning Gold, and Bennelli in recoil and had opportunity to shoot all this year. TJ Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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I had several friends that all had Benelli, three of them sent them back because of problems–would not eject shells and would jam.  They all had received new ones only to have more problems. Three of them all went to the the new Winchester –one kept his Benelli and has good luck with it.  From what I saw I went and got a Winchester–and real happy with it.  It will handle those low brass shells w/o any problem. Good luck. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Jfrickb wrote >Any feedback on the reliability of the Benelli shotguns?… > Their reliability is unsurpassed.   In fact, I’d say nothing > else comes close in semi-auto. >I am considering a >Montefeltro in 20ga for upland shooting and and a Super > Black Eagle for Ducks >and Turkeys. > I would get a 3" chamber, not a 3-1/2", for several reasons, > the main one being that shooting 3-1/2" shells will be so > unpleasant you won’t shoot them anyway.   Also, a chamber > that much longer than the shell will result is considerable > loss of velocity when shooting 2-3/4" shells. >How is the felt recoil compared to a gas operated semi? > Here’s the rub.   They recoil about like an 870 pump will > with any given shell.   Gas auto’s recoil substantially > less. > Cush

I would like to respectfully disagree. I have the SBE in 3 1/2 Mag and the felt recoil of the 3 1/2 is not unpleasant at all. I have had gas operated and blowback operated automatics and My honest opinion is that blowback has less felt recoil than gas operated George Pepper Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Rick: Santa gave me a left handed 12 ga Montefeltro for Christmas. He was kind enough to deliver it early so that I could use it for dove season, and a phesant hunting trip.  It’s an awesome gun. I’d imagine the right handed 20 ga is just as  good. Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– Newsgroups: rec.hunting Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 3:30 PM > Any feedback on the reliability of the Benelli shotguns?…I am considering a > Montefeltro in 20ga for upland shooting and and a Super Black Eagle for Ducks > and Turkeys.  How is the felt recoil compared to a gas operated semi?…thanks > for any feedback. > Rick > Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: >         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Just switched from 11-87 Remington to Bennelli M-90 this past duck season. I had one small problem with improper lube on bolt slides, it made everything move in slow motion, put a little butter on and kept shootin. I did clean and use good lube that evening. Ask me again in 5 years as to reliability thats how long the Remington was shot and it’s still going, the recoil is as light in both and also Brownings in my opinion but I really love the ease of maintenance on the Bennelli. TJ Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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> Any feedback on the reliability of the Benelli shotguns?…I am considering a > Montefeltro in 20ga for upland shooting and and a Super Black Eagle for Ducks > and Turkeys.  How is the felt recoil compared to a gas operated semi?…thanks > for any feedback. > Rick > Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: >         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

I have a M1 Super 90, I’ve hunted & shot trap with it for two years.  I really like it. As far as reliability… the one time I had a problem, was when I was using shells 1/4 oz. lighter than the recommended minimum load for the gun.  I was grouse hunting, and I was two miles from the car and ran out of the 1 1/8 oz. loads I normally use.  The only shells I had in my vest were super cheap, Winchester ultra-light 7/8 oz. trap loads, and the gun would not cycle them.  Afterwards, out of curiosity, I had friends with a Browning Gold, and a Rem. 11-87 try firing the 7/8 oz. loads, and neither of those guns cycled the shells either. This was obviously my problem… not the gun’s…  I’ve shot 20-30 boxes of light 1 oz. loads, and never had a single jam.  Apparently, I just found the limit of how light of a shell the gun could handle. I don’t really notice any recoil difference, but I’d recommend trying one before you buy if possible. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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> Any feedback on the reliability of the Benelli shotguns?…I am considering a > Montefeltro in 20ga for upland shooting and and a Super Black Eagle for Ducks > and Turkeys.  How is the felt recoil compared to a gas operated semi?…thanks > for any feedback. > Rick

Rick,          I’ve never owned a Benelli, but I know they are very reliable and tough. However, I’ve heard that they "kick" more than gas-operated semi-autos. You should be allright with a 20 gauge, though. Also, in my opinion, Benelli is the most beautiful semi-auto shotgun in the world. The design it’s just awesome! I personally shoot a Beretta A390 in 12 gauge and I’m very happy with it. It’s not as beautiful as a Benelli, but it’s much cheaper and just as much reliable and it’s a lot of fun to shoot. Good luck BJ > Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: >         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Jfrickb wrote >Any feedback on the reliability of the Benelli shotguns?…

Their reliability is unsurpassed.   In fact, I’d say nothing else comes close in semi-auto. >I am considering a >Montefeltro in 20ga for upland shooting and and a Super

Black Eagle for Ducks >and Turkeys.

I would get a 3" chamber, not a 3-1/2", for several reasons, the main one being that shooting 3-1/2" shells will be so unpleasant you won’t shoot them anyway.   Also, a chamber that much longer than the shell will result is considerable loss of velocity when shooting 2-3/4" shells. >How is the felt recoil compared to a gas operated semi?

Here’s the rub.   They recoil about like an 870 pump will with any given shell.   Gas auto’s recoil substantially less. Cush Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Any feedback on the reliability of the Benelli shotguns?…I am considering a Montefeltro in 20ga for upland shooting and and a Super Black Eagle for Ducks and Turkeys.  How is the felt recoil compared to a gas operated semi?…thanks for any feedback. Rick Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Mossberg 835 Ulti-Mag Opinions

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Considering buying an Ulti-Mag for Turkey hunting.  Any feedback on this shotgun?  How is the felt recoil firing 3 1/2" mags?  Any thoughts on the best after-market turkey choke tube for this gun?…Thanks for the opinions. John Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Check out www.HeviShot.com . They won the NWTF pattern contest last September and set a new record with 42 pellets in a 3 inch circle at 40 yards! And it was a 2 3/4" 12 gauge shell of #6’s. If that’s possible with 2 3/4" then I would go that route before pounding me body with 3 1/2" shells. Ed www.HotSpotHunting.com www.HotSpotGuides.com Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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>Considering buying an Ulti-Mag for Turkey hunting.  Any feedback on this >shotgun?  How is the felt recoil firing 3 1/2" mags?  Any thoughts on the best >after-market turkey choke tube for this gun?…Thanks for the opinions. >John

I have one of those 835 Turkey guns.  I like it.  It’s nice and heavy, which is not usually a good thing, but is darn nice with heavy loads! I have not yet fired any 3-1/2 loads from it, only the 3".  Those kick pretty good, but for hunting purposes, no problem.  When patterning the gun with various rounds, it gets painful, but I doubt a gun exists that doesn’t hurt some when firing a 3-1/2 magnum turkey load… Great gun for the money.  I’d get it with the Fire Sights. -jeff Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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>Considering buying an Ulti-Mag for Turkey hunting.  Any feedback on this >shotgun?  How is the felt recoil firing 3 1/2" mags?

For the money, not a bad purchase. Sure, any pump will kick with heavy enough shells. BUT- you won’t feel a thing when you see your gobbler. Randy Wakeman Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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John asks: Considering buying an Ulti-Mag for Turkey hunting.  Any feedback on this shotgun?  How is the felt recoil firing 3 1/2" mags?  Any thoughts on the best after-market turkey choke tube for this gun?…Thanks for the opinions. I’ve had one for several years now and love it.  I’ve shot it a lot too, though not that many times with 3-1/2" shells.  I won’t lie to you, it has a brutal kick with 3-1/2" shells but I don’t think you will notice it as much in a hunting situation.  I patterned mine with turkey loads of 2-3/4", 3", and "3-1/2" and it clearly shoots the densest pattern with Federal 3-1/2" Premium Turkey loads in no. 5 shot. That’s what I use.  I have both 28" and 24" barrels for my gun, but find myself using the 24" barrel  most of the time.  It just seems to carry and handle better for me.   Regarding choke tubes, though I haven’t tried any of the after market chokes, I found that the Xtra Full Turkey choke that came with the gun does a great job.  I highly endorse the Mossberg 835 Ulti-Mag and don’t think you would be disappointed with one. Dave LeGrande GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today!  For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Get a Remington 870 Turkey gun.You will not have to get an after market choke tube. You will like the trigger and the safety a lot better. NRA Life Member Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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My opinion they are good guns.  Very affordable, lots of "bang" for the buck.  I’ve used one for the past five years, mostly on pheasants and ducks and haven’t had any problems.  As far as the recoil, I prefer to call it a "gentle nudge", when shooting the 3 1/2" Turkey loads as a last shot on departing pheasants.  Not that much noticeable difference from a good 3" mag. Mossberg has made quite a few improvements since first introducing them. Best of all, in my opinion, is the ported barrel. Any way, choose wisely and remeber to give your business to your local gun shop.  It may cost a little more, but the service after the sale is hard to beat. Jay Hoth Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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i bought one a couple of years ago while my main gun was down. couldn’t find a part and turkey season was approaching fast. i have shot it once. got a nice gobbler from about 30 yds. last year. i had never shot a 3 1/2 inch gun before that day. i’m sold for turkey hunting. can’t beat the price, either. roy Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Make sure you get it with the ported barrel. The only downside with the ported barrel is the super loud boom, it sure makes my ears ring. Ron > Considering buying an Ulti-Mag for Turkey hunting.  Any feedback on this > shotgun?

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Get a Remington 870 Turkey gun.You will not have to get an after market choke tube. You will like the trigger and the safety a lot better. I compared the Remington with the Mossberg when I bought my 835.  The trigger and particularly the safety were two of the main reasons I went with the Mossberg.  I can’t imagine the Remington could throw a better pattern than Mossberg’s Xtra Full Turkey choke. Dave LeGrande GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today!  For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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You think it’s loud shooting it you ought to stand next to one in a duck blind. Right at sunrise is a real hoot too, when the flame comes flying out those ports across your face.( really unnerving sometimes) Scary, but not dangerous I don’t think the guy shooting doesn’t even notice until I come crawling out from under the bench. TJ Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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John, I never used mine on turkey but both have served very well in the swamp.  Ducks and geese is our game.  I will mention that I got the Remington 870 SuperExpress last year and was impressed with its fit and finish though I am sure the ducks don’t know the difference.  Least none complained last year. I needed anothe as my youngest joined us in the swamp.     I have shot the 3.5 inch buckshot loads and it is really not a pleasant experience.  Similar to both barrels of a 2.75 double at the same time!  But you only need one shot, right? > Considering buying an Ulti-Mag for Turkey hunting.  Any feedback on this > shotgun?  How is the felt recoil firing 3 1/2" mags?  Any thoughts on the best > after-market turkey choke tube for this gun?…Thanks for the opinions. > John

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>with the Mossberg.  I can’t imagine the Remington could throw a better >pattern than Mossberg’s Xtra Full Turkey choke.

I have Remington and Mossberg shotguns I would not bet on the pattern thing.My Remington is the 870 SPS-T Super Magnum with the Remington Turkey Super full choke. NRA Life Member Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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> Get a Remington 870 Turkey gun. > You will like the trigger and the safety a lot better.

I have a 870 and dear wife has a Mossberg 835, both triggers were awful from the factory.   Right after I bought my 870 in 1976 I took it to the gunsmith for a stone job.  My wife got her 835 in 1987 and she took to the gunsmith too for a stone job. It made a world of difference with both guns. . The safety choice is a matter of opinion, I like the 870 safety while dear wife likes the 835 safety.  You won’t go wrong with either gun.  We both agree that the porting on the 835  make it nicer to shoot.  The 835 kicks less shooting a 3 1/2 inch load than my 870 with a 3 inch load.  The new 835 ulti-mag also comes with fiber-optic sights which are really nice when you have middle aged eyeballs.  I just put a tru-glo sight on my 870 and I really like it. Ron Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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I bought the fist 835 that hit the market year ago, I got mine with 5 choke tubes, and a slug barrel.  Well it will knock down turkeys at 65yds, and drops ducks and geese like flys, I even have used it for trap. I still use it about 80% of the time.  Its a great gun.

> Considering buying an Ulti-Mag for Turkey hunting.  Any feedback on this > shotgun?  How is the felt recoil firing 3 1/2" mags?  Any thoughts on the best > after-market turkey choke tube for this gun?…Thanks for the opinions. > John > Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: >         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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How to find a Mossberg 9200 youth Bantam 12g shotgun?

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I understand 9200 models have been discontinued by Mossberg this year.  Any one have any suggestions on how to locate someone who still carries this model? Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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—– Original Message —– > I understand 9200 models have been discontinued by Mossberg this year.  Any one > have any suggestions on how to locate someone who still carries this model?

  Looks to me as if you’re right. They don’t have the 9200 listed on their website. Too bad, as the 9200 Bantam was the last youth sized 12 Ga auto available. I bought one for the wife last year, and glad I did. The little gun has great balance for people with shorter arms.   I would suggest contacting every dealer in your area. Hopefully, one has a distributor that has a few "laid back". Good luck in your quest. Bob Gravity…It’s Not Just a Good Idea. It’s the Law Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Youth Gun Model (Remington)

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I don’t think so. However go to Rem.’s page & on the very bottom of the page you’ll see support. Click on it & you’ll be able to submit a Question. That’s the way I did it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– Newsgroups: rec.hunting Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 3:38 PM > Hi folks > I’m taking my boy hunting later this year.  I would like to get him one of > Remington’s Youth Models, but only one problem.  He’s a lefty.  Does anyone > know if Remington manufactures any of the Youth Models in a left-hand. There > is no contact e-mail on their webpage. Thanks > Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: >         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Hi folks I’m taking my boy hunting later this year.  I would like to get him one of Remington’s Youth Models, but only one problem.  He’s a lefty.  Does anyone know if Remington manufactures any of the Youth Models in a left-hand. There is no contact e-mail on their webpage. Thanks Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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—– Original Message —– > Hi folks > I’m taking my boy hunting later this year.  I would like to get him one of > Remington’s Youth Models, but only one problem.  He’s a lefty.  Does anyone > know if Remington manufactures any of the Youth Models in a left-hand. There > is no contact e-mail on their webpage. Thanks

   Well, Philip, if you insist on Remington, I’m afraid you’re out of luck. I can’t find anything in they’re catalog listed as LH youth model.  You didn’t say what kind of gun you wanted. Shotgun?  Rimfire rifle? Centerfire rifle? Single shot, pump, bolt action, lever action?    Savage makes a good LH bolt rifle, but I haven’t heard of a youth model.you could shorten the stock for him, but remember that it will change the balance of the gun.    In pump shotguns, Browning bps and Ithaca 37 eject from the bottom, so would work for lefties, and of course, single shots are universal too.    Give us a little more info about what type of gun you need, and the game you are after. I’m sure someone here can help you out. Bob Gravity…It’s Not Just a Good Idea. It’s the Law Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Thank you, Dad! (Coyote gun)

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"jimr001" <> wrote in > A year and a half ago, Dad gave me a Savage 110 .22-250 he wasn’t using. > (He kept a Browning BLR in the same caliber, a better looking gun, but I > think I got the more accurate one.)

 major editing > Thank you, Dad, I LOVE this gun!

Makes me remember when I would pack a shotgun or rifle in the back of the car and go hunting after school. Jim, enjoy these days, they will surely end much too soon. mjb Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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> A year and a half ago, Dad gave me a Savage 110 .22-250 he wasn’t using. > (He kept a Browning BLR in the same caliber, a better looking gun, but I > think I got the more accurate one.) > Thank you, Dad, I LOVE this gun!

Great story, thanks for sharing.  Being an avid predator hunter I enjoyed your excitement reading your story while I am stuck here in the office wishing I was out calling up a coyote or two.  Speaking of calling up coyotes, have you tried this method?  Sounds like you hunt by just flushing them out.  You HAVE to try calling.  There is nothing as exciting as having a coyote running full bore right at you thinking you’re lunch and laying your crosshairs on him, squeezing and watching them tumble.  If you are interested in learning about calling there are a number of great sites on the subject.  Give my site a try and you’ll also find a couple links to other predator calling sites.  Keep after ‘em! — Randy in Alaska Visit my page…  http://home.gci.net/~randyinalaska Life Member, North American Hunting Club Life Member, North American Fishing Club Member, Varmint Hunters Association Member, Alaska Trappers Association Member, National Rifle Association Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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>Great story, thanks for sharing.  Being an avid predator hunter I enjoyed >your excitement reading your story while I am stuck here in the office >wishing I was out calling up a coyote or two.  Speaking of calling up >coyotes, have you tried this method?  Sounds like you hunt by just flushing >them out.  You HAVE to try calling.  There is nothing as exciting as having >a coyote running full bore right at you thinking you’re lunch and laying >your crosshairs on him, squeezing and watching them tumble.  If you are >interested in learning about calling there are a number of great sites on >the subject.  Give my site a try and you’ll also find a couple links to >other predator calling sites.  Keep after ‘em!

Bought a call 6 months ago and my hunting buddy gave me 2 Knight-Hale calls for Christmas.  Haven’t had any luck with them.  I’ll try looking at your site – I HAVE to be doing something wrong! You sit in your office and dream of hunting coyotes (understandably), while I sit in my office and dream of hunting and fishing Alaska! Thanks much! Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Randy- Great site!  Absolutely awesome! (http://home.gci.net/~randyinalaska/) Dave and I go every year, have good success rates, and have room in my trailer for a third. Happy hunting! Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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> Randy- > Great site!  Absolutely awesome! (http://home.gci.net/~randyinalaska/) > Dave and I go every year, have good success rates, and have room in my > trailer for a third. > Happy hunting!

Thanks for the invite Jim, I may just take you up on that offer one of these years.  Glad you found my site useful.  Well, from one office daydreamer to the other, Happy hunting! Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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A year and a half ago, Dad gave me a Savage 110 .22-250 he wasn’t using. (He kept a Browning BLR in the same caliber, a better looking gun, but I think I got the more accurate one.) Its been a lot of fun ever since.  Floated the barrel, mounted a 6.5-20x Simmons 44 Mag scope,  and worked up some 40 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip loads.  The book says they should be running around 4100fps, and I can’t argue.  I only know they’re **fast**!Found I can shoot it to .5MOA, not super, but good enough.  (The rifle probably can do better, I can’t.) One of my favorite pasttimes since I got the rifle has been to hunt coyotes. Been stuck on #13 for a couple of months – coyotes had been scarce as hen’s teeth and #14 was proving to be pretty hard to get.  The ranchers just north of the house let me hunt any time I want, so 2-3 times a week after work or on weekends isn’t unusual. Over time I have discovered I see as many driving around as I do walking, and the last week and a half have been no exception.  And suddenly I was seeing coyotes almost every day.  The weekly total was depressing though: Coyotes 6, Jim 0, with 2 shots fired.  Both shots were from about 200 yards at a running coyote (angling away). I had jumped a coyote out of a particular brushy gully twice in the last week, and went back for a third time today. Approaching from the east, I crested the hill on the north (downstream) end and idled the truck along the length of the gully.  Sure enough, as I approached within 30 yards of the south end, a coyote jumped out and headed southwest across the field.  I immediately killed the engine, opened the door and jumped out, using the door jamb for a rifle rest.  The coyote was angling across the field, 125 yards out, and I couldn’t find him in the scope. I lowered the rifle a little and checked the magnification – yep, 6.5x, the minimum.  Then I looked over the scope, aligning the rifle with the coyote a second time.  Checked the scope and found the coyote.  He was still running at an angle and I held off on the shot.  In a second he would be 200 yards out and in another 50 yards he would vanish in the yucca plants.  The chance of a successful shot were quickly diminishing, and he wasn’t going to stop. I told myself there would be other days.  Coyotes 7, Jim 0. Suddenly, at 200 yards, he veered directly away from me. I peered through the scope, still at 6.5x, and put the cross hairs on his back.  Experience told me that, with a dead away and almost level shot, I should keep the crosshairs on fur.  I did,  moving the crosshairs up to his head before squeezing the trigger.  (Gotta do something about that trigger!)  The recoil pushed me back and I lost the coyote in the scope, but acquired it again over the top.  Still running, a miss. A split second later the coyote tumbled head first into the ground.  A hit! I quickly chambered another round and waited to see if it would get up. After 30 seconds I jumped back into the truck and fired up the diesel. Keeping my eye on the spot where it went down, I idled along the fence row. The coyote was still down and I grabbed my .357 Blackhawk (its a virgin), leaving the .22-250 in the truck.  I jumped the fence and found the coyote. No need for the .357, as the 40 grain Nosler BT had hit the coyote in the neck, 3 inches back from the skull and 1 inch to the left of center.  There was no exit wound. I turned the truck around, reset the trip odometer and headed back to the spot I had shot from, noting the spot where the digital odometer went from 0.0 to 0.1 miles.  As best as I could tell, the 0.1 mile mark was 80% of the way back, meaning the shot was taken from (roughly) 0.125 miles, or 220 yards. Thank you, Dad, I LOVE this gun! Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Shotgun guages ?

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What unit of measurement is used for different shotgun guages ?  It was explained to me years asgo but I don’t remember. Thanks Paul Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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>What unit of measurement is used for different shotgun guages ?

Gauge is how many round balls of bore diameter would make a pound.  So, it would take twenty round balls of bore diameter from a twenty gauge to make a pound.  Eight balls from an eight (2oz), etc. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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>Gauge is how many round balls of bore diameter would make a pound.  So, it >would take twenty round balls of bore diameter from a twenty gauge to make a >pound.

Almost. The idea was lead balls. Now, with backbored / overbored barrels, the loose standard has become even more erratic! Randy Wakeman Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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>What unit of measurement is used for different shotgun guages ?  It was >explained to me years asgo but I don’t remember.

Gauge is determined by the number of lead balls, the diameter of the barrel, that will equal 1 pound. The weight of 12 lead balls the diameter of a 12 gauge will be 1lb, weight of 16 balls the diameter of a 16 gauge will be 1lb, etc. FYI, Found the following on the Internet so I can vouch 100% for it’s accuracy but seems correct for the gauges and shot sizes I recall: Gauge = caliber:    4 gauge = .96 caliber 12 gauge = .725 caliber 15 gauge = .69 caliber 16 gauge = .65 caliber 20 gauge = .45 caliber 410 = .410 caliber. Shot sizes: #4 .24" (6.1mm) #3 .25" (6.35mm) #2 .27" (6.86mm) #1 .30" (7.62mm) #0 .32" (8.13mm) #00 .33" (8.38mm) #000 .36" (9.14mm) Seems I recall a load using #000 buck in .357 (or 38 special) over a very light powder charge. Anyone heard of this? I have loaded .433 muzzle loader balls in a .44 Mag, so the bore diameter to shot size seems about right? John Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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A gauge is the # of lead balls of  that size/gauge/caliber it takes to make a pound. Eric Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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I wish I knew all that but I don’t. This info comes from the: Copyright

Remington 11-87 vs 1100?…What is the difference

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What is the difference between the 1100 and the 11-87?   I have heard the 11-87 is more reliable.  Any truth to that?….How does the 11-87 stack up to other semi autos on the market?..Thanks. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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>What is the difference between the 1100 and the 11-87?   I have heard the >11-87 >is more reliable.  Any truth to that?….How does the 11-87 stack up to other >semi autos on the market?..Thanks.

The 11-87 was designed to handle both 2 3/4" and 3" shells interchangeably. where the 3" 1100 was not supposed to be reliable with 2 3/4"–though it may have had an adjustment or something (been 20 years since I have shot a 3" 1100). As for reliability, if you talking about 2 3/4" shells, I have observed more reliability in the 1100. I have a friend with an 11-87 and he rarely made it through a round of skeet (shooting 2 3/4" shells) without a jam. He bought a Beretta 390 and loves it. 1100 is a good gun and reliable if you keep it clean. Beretta 390 is auto loader shotgun I have shot, though others on this list like the Benelli (sp?). John Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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I own an 1100 hundred and an 11-87.  The difference in my case is that the 1100 only takes 2 3/4" shells.  The 11-87 takes 3" shells.  The 11-87 has never given me a lick of trouble while the 1100 even though you can get them in 3" chambers, has a short life cycle for maintenance on the ejection system.  I don’t know if they are similar but I have never had to replace even an O ring on the 11-87 and had to do it twice on my 1100 and it failed in the field both times causing me a lot of regret on  one occasion causing a missed opportunity on a four rooster flush.   I knocked down the first three birds and the fourth was in my site and the third shell only ejected half way.  I replaced the O ring and it worked fine. Good luck! Chris Buck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– Newsgroups: rec.hunting Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 12:33 PM > What is the difference between the 1100 and the 11-87?   I have heard the 11-87 > is more reliable.  Any truth to that?….How does the 11-87 stack up to other > semi autos on the market?..Thanks. > Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: >         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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OK, where do I start, I owned an 1100 for twelve years and the last year had problems with ejecting shells, found out sometime later it was caused by a bad o-ring, traded the 1100 on 11-87 and I shot it for about 5yrs then gave it to my son and bought another one, my opinion is they are one of the best and most dependable autoloaders built. The difference is the 11-87 is a little heavier ( due to the receiver I think) but the recoil system is so much better it’s worth it, the magazine tube is stainless, and with Remchoke system very versatile. The 11-87 will shoot any load in any order without fail and is available in a whole bunch of configuratons. One of the guys that hunts ducks with us bought his the first year they came out and has never had a problem, and knowing him it doesn’t get the best of care. If weight is a big concern I suggest taking a look at Remingtons 11-96 Euro it has all the features of 11-87 but is lighter and feels pretty good to me but I’ve never had the opportunity to shoot one. TJ p.s.   use a Bennelli now but the jury is still out as to the longevity with the rough handling it must go through. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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I have a 1100 Magnum and friend has 1187 both jam equally with 23/4" shells. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Jfrickb asks: What is the difference between the 1100 and the 11-87?   I have heard the 11-87 is more reliable.  Any truth to that?….How does the 11-87 stack up to other semi autos on the market? I have a 1100 and several of my hunting buddies have the 11-87.  They look very similar.  In talking with my friends, it appears the most significant difference is their guns will handle 2-3/4" and 3" shells interchangeabley using the same barrel.  My gun, an 1100 Magnum, requires the use of a 2-3/4" chambered barrel to successfully cycle light, 2-3/4" loads.  Model 1100 standard models (i.e. without the receiver being stamped MAGNUM) are not capable of handling 3" shells at all. Dave LeGrande GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today!  For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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> As for reliability, if you talking about 2 3/4" shells, I have observed > more reliability in the 1100. I have a friend with an 11-87 and he rarely > made it through a round of skeet (shooting 2 3/4" shells) without a jam. He > bought a Beretta 390 and loves it.

I think it is wishful thinking to expect a shotgun designed for heavy magnums to also cycle trap loads.  Either the trap loads will not eject well or the magnums will beat the dickens out of the action. It’s not hard to find an autoloader that will cycle any 2.75" shell reliably, or will handle any high base load reliably. — Interested in Conservation?  Take a look at http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg It takes a while to load, but everybody should see the problem. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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