Real hunters always follow up on their shots
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-snip > of a few of the animals, helps the entire herd. The difference is that > Mr. Wheeler is concerned only about individual animals and not the entire > population.
-snip Actually, Mr. Wheeler is just a blowhard looking for attention. He and the rest of the ARFs are too busy running their mouths and pulling publicity stunts to actually do anything good for the animals they claim to represent. Todd Alexander Mechanical Dynamics,Inc Engineering Analyst 2301 Commonwealth Blvd. (810)826-6461 Ann Arbor, MI 48105 "The whole of the Bill [of Rights} is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals… It establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of."–Albert Gallatin
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Great gravy, the blind pig found an acorn! Wheelie has actually posted something from a credible source; real, live bowhunters. >Think hunting is humane? Think again! As appears from the following, >hunters
regularly wound deer and then sit around and let the deer die >slowly… > From the newsgroup "rec.hunting: > "However,if the deer is hit high in the lungs, the blood trail may >>
sometime become light and even disappear completely. The deer could >> be "filling up" inside with blood, showing very little external >> bleeding. The hair from the lung area is coarse and brown with black >> tips. The deer will usually go down in less than 100 yards. Give >> the deer 30 minutes before tracking. My experience is that lung hit deer (as well as bears, moose, and elk) go down and die within seconds, often with no clue as to what just happened. The last whitetail I killed went down and died within 35 seconds of being shot though both lungs. It traveled total of 20 yards. A complete pass-through both lungs leaves a lot of blood sprayed on the ground. > * A heart-shot deer will sometimes jump wildly when hit. The >>
bloodtrail may be sparse for the first 20 yards or so. A heart-shot >> dear may track as much as a quarter or so depending on what part of >> the heart is damaged. The usual is less than 125 yards. The hair from >> this shot will be long brown or grayish guard hairs. Again, a 30 >> minute wait is advised. But, if while trailing you find where he has >> bedded, back off and wait an hour before taking up the trail again. Have to quibble with the original poster on this one. My experience is that a heart shot puts the animal down within 100 yards and leaves a very heavy blood trail. Rifle or slug shot animals don’t even make it that far and are usually dead within seconds. > * A liver-shot deer. The liver lies against the diaphragm in the >>
approximate center of the deer. It is a definite killing shot.The >> blood trail will be decent to follow and the deer should bed down and >> die within 200 yards, if not pushed. A one-hour wait is best. The >> hair from the liver area is brownish gray and much shorter than the >> hair from the lung area. If you push the deer out of his bed, back >> off and wait another hour. Good advice, though often 30 minutes is all that’s needed. It’s not a bad idea to let a liver shot deer lay up overnight if you shot it in the late afternoon or evening. > * A gut-shot deer is probably the most difficult to recover because >> of the
poor blood trail and the hunter’s impatience to wait him out. >> A lot of bowhunters want to hurry up and find the deer. Since the >> liver and stomach are close together, it is possible that the deer >> will go down and die quickly if the shot also penetrates the liver. >> If the deer is dead in an hour, he will still be dead in 4 hours. >> Have patience, he will not go anywhere. Wait him out for at least 4 >> hours. Wait overnight if the deer is shot in the evening. More good advice. If the shot is a complete pass-through, the trailing sign will be abundant. > * A spine-shot deer will usually drop in his tracks or hobble off. >> Either
way, a second shot will probably be required to finish off the >> deer. If a spine-shot deer hobbles off, wait a half-hour and track >> slowly and quietly. Look for the deer bedded down. A spine shot more often than not kills instantly. That’s as humane as it gets, but is not a shot ethical bowhunters attempt. > * An artery-shot deer will almost always go down in less than 100 > yards. > The aortic artery runs just under the backbone from heart to hips, > where it > branches to become the femoral arteries. The heart also pumps blood > to > the brain through the carotid (jugular) arteries. > Sever any of these arteries and you’ve got yourself a deer. There is > one > catch, these arteries are tough. It takes a sharp broadhead to cut > through > them. A dull broadhead will just push them aside. Keep your > broadheads > sharp! Give the deer half an hour before tracking."
Depends too on the artery – a shot that severs the renal arteries will kill a deer within seconds. Excellent advice still. Waiting thirty minutes to track an arrow struck deer makes good sense and comes from decades of hunting experience. Many animals expire within seconds or a few minutes, but some do take longer. Thirty minutes is regarded as a safe amount of time to allow the struck animal to stop running or trotting off, lie down, and succumb to massive hemorrhage. Thirty minutes also gives the bowhunter time to collect his or her thoughts, let the adrenaline rush subside, pack up any gear, and start the task of tracking. The hunt often begins after the shot. Thanks for sharing the info Wheels – I’ll tape it to the inside of my bowcase. Robert (who is truly amazed at the killing power of a razor sharp broadhead) in Missouri
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follow up on their shots >Great gravy, the blind pig found an acorn! Wheelie has actually posted >something from a credible source; real, live bowhunters.
When Jim posted that Mr. Wheeler said something about "lazy hunters waiting for deer to die", I suspected that he was referring to a post that I had put on rec.hunting. I was right, but in searching for the post I read a bunch of Mr. Wheeler’s posts. Most,if not all, was about the misfortunes of hunters. Most refered to "deaths of hunters" of which Mr. Wheeler seems to take glee in. IMO, Mr. Wheeler is one sick puppy. >Think hunting is humane? Think again! As appears from the following, >hunters regularly wound deer and then sit around and let the deer die >slowly…
Evidently, Mr. Wheeler would prefer that all wild animals die a lingering death from disease or starvation than in a few seconds from a razor sharp broadhead. I have seen many deer that have died from the razor sharp broadhead and a couple dozen that died from disease (EHD) and there is no comparison. As a person who REALLY cares about the animals that I pursue, I would not want to see them suffer from disease or starvation. The hunting of a few of the animals, helps the entire herd. The difference is that Mr. Wheeler is concerned only about individual animals and not the entire population. <snip> Part of my posting on lung shot deer. >My experience is that lung hit deer (as well as bears, moose, and elk) >go down and die within seconds, often with no clue as to what just >happened. The last whitetail I killed went down and died within 35 >seconds of being shot though both lungs. It traveled total of 20 yards. >A complete pass-through both lungs leaves a lot of blood sprayed on the >ground.
The lung area is the spot that every bowhunter should aim for.You are quite correct in that a centered lung shot will kill the animal in single digit seconds. I bowkilled two Antelope, on two seperate occasions, both of which jumped twice, a total of about 15 yards, stopped and looked back trying to figure out where that strange noise came from. They fell over, kicked a couple times, and that was it. The whole thing happened in less than 10 seconds. > * A heart-shot deer will sometimes jump wildly when hit. The >bloodtrail may be sparse for the first 20 yards or so. A heart-shot > dear may track as much as a quarter or so depending on what part of > the heart is damaged. The usual is less than 125 yards. >Have to quibble with the original poster on this one. My experience is >that a heart shot puts the animal down within 100 yards and leaves a >very heavy blood trail. Rifle or slug shot animals don’t even make it >that far and are usually dead within seconds.
A very large percentage of the time you are correct. Again it depends on what portion of the heart is hit. We have, on several occasions, trailed heart shot deer over 1/4 mile. > * A liver-shot deer. The liver lies against the diaphragm in the > approximate center of the deer. It is a definite killing shot.The > blood trail will be decent to follow and the deer should bed down and > die within 200 yards, if not pushed. A one-hour wait is best. The > hair from the liver area is brownish gray and much shorter than the > hair from the lung area.If you push the deer out of his bed, back > off and wait another hour. >Good advice, though often 30 minutes is all that’s needed. It’s not a >bad idea to let a liver shot deer lay up overnight if you shot it in the >late afternoon or evening.
Again, it depends on what part of the liver is hit. If the "wing tips" of the liver is all that is severed it could take a little longer. If the major part of the liver is hit, you are correct, the deer will be dead way before the 30 minutes are up. But, if he is dead in 30 minutes, he’ll still be dead in 1 hour. I always opt to the side of being conservative in trailing an animal. > * A gut-shot deer is probably the most difficult to recover because > of the poor blood trail and the hunter’s impatience to wait him out. > A lot of bowhunters want to hurry up and find the deer. Since the > liver and stomach are close together, it is possible that the deer > will go down and die quickly if the shot also penetrates the liver. > If the deer is dead in an hour, he will still be dead in 4 hours. > Have patience, he will not go anywhere. Wait him out for at least 4 > hours. Wait overnight if the deer is shot in the evening. >More good advice. If the shot is a complete pass-through, the trailing >sign will be abundant.
It still will not be as good as a lung shot deer. My advice is not to expect a lot of blood, but to look for blood and stomach contents. Trailing a gut shot deer requires a lot of patience. > * A spine-shot deer will usually drop in his tracks or hobble off. > Either way, a second shot will probably be required to finish off the > deer. If a spine-shot deer hobbles off, wait a half-hour and track > slowly and quietly. Look for the deer bedded down. >A spine shot more often than not kills instantly. That’s as humane as it >gets, but is not a shot ethical bowhunters attempt.
True. If the spinal cord is severed the deer is down and almost instantly dead. If the spine/backbone is hit and the spinal cord is not severed a second shot will more than likely be needed. >Waiting thirty minutes to track an arrow struck deer makes good sense >and comes from decades of hunting experience. Many animals expire >within seconds or a few minutes, but some do take longer. Thirty >minutes is regarded as a safe amount of time to allow the struck animal >to stop running or trotting off, lie down, and succumb to massive >hemorrhage. Thirty minutes also gives the bowhunter time to collect his >or her thoughts, let the adrenaline rush subside, pack up any gear, and >start the task of tracking. The hunt often begins after the shot.
You, I, and every bowhunter worth their salt knows this. It’s common sense. Mr. Wheeler exposed his stupidity on the subject. But, I’ve got a feeling that wasn’t the first time that he has posted something totally stupid. Nor,unfortunately,the last. >Thanks for sharing the info Wheels – I’ll tape it to the inside of my >bowcase. >Robert (who is truly amazed at the killing power of a razor sharp >broadhead) in Missouri.
Woody Williams (who is still amazed at people {Mr. Wheeler} who know absolutely nothing about a subject but that doesn’t stop them from claiming to be experts!)in Indiana. If you’re too busy to hunt, you’re too busy.
