Re.44 Mag. (rifle) vs. 7.62 x 39mm Russian for Deer
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I’ve owned and hunted with all 3 for over 24 years (if you include a 30/30 too), and non of these guns are 150 yard guns, i’m talkin experiance , not paper ballstics. Couple of my buddies also use 30/30, and 7.62 x 39s, we hunt boar, big boar over 250 lbs. up to 400. I have never in 24 years ever had to shoot a pig more than once using my Marlin 94 in 44 mag, or track a wounded pig, they all have dropped with one shot. My buddies, who are at least as experianced as I in hunting boar, have on several ocassions had to track and shot again pigs shot with these other 2 rounds, even when shot placement was good. I feel the Taylor knock down formula more acurately reflects true cartridge perfornce than the run of the mill ballistics table. The TKO of the 44mag is much superior to both the 30/30 and the 7.62×39. Go with the 44 mag, it has never let me down. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– Newsgroups: rec.hunting Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 4:32 PM > I’ve owned and hunted with all 3 for over 24 years (if you include a > 30/30 too), and non of these guns are 150 yard guns, i’m talkin > experiance , not paper ballstics. Couple of my buddies also use 30/30, > and 7.62 x 39s, we hunt boar, big boar over 250 lbs. up to 400. I have > never in 24 years ever had to shoot a pig more than once using my Marlin > 94 in 44 mag, or track a wounded pig, they all have dropped with one > shot. My buddies, who are at least as experianced as I in hunting boar, > have on several ocassions had to track and shot again pigs shot with > these other 2 rounds, even when shot placement was good. I feel the > Taylor knock down formula more acurately reflects true cartridge > perfornce than the run of the mill ballistics table. The TKO of the > 44mag is much superior to both the 30/30 and the 7.62×39. Go with the > 44 mag, it has never let me down. Where can one find the Taylor info? coop Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Which one would be better for hunting (whitetail) deer? Would it be the > 44 Rem. Mag. (in rifles only), or the Russian 7.62 x 39 mm (AK-47) > round? > Andrew T. Still > It sort of depends on what the distances you’ll be hunting at. If > your hunting at distances with a max. of 150 yards, I would go > with the .44 mag. If your hunting at longer than 150 yards, I > would go with the 7.62X39. The 7.62X39 has a better trajectory, > especially a longer ranges. Energy wise they are very close with > the big difference being the .44 mag being a big slow load and > the 7.62X39 being a lighter faster load, having a very slight > edge energy wise. The main reason I give the .44 mag a nod at > closer distances is, given the choice, I’ll take a larger > diameter bullet over a smaller one with everything else being > almost equal. > Kevin Volz
I disagree. I have a .44 mag and I also have a 7.62×39 Russian. Both are equally bad for deer but if I had the choice of one I would alsways go for the 7.62×39. It is a miconception that the .44mag is a good round for deer. If you are hunting at less than 50 yds maybe but the energy and ballistics drop off mighty fast over greater distances. I hunt whitetail and wild boar. I recenty killed a boar with my .44 but it was at 15yds. I stick with the .270, 06 or my 7mmRem Mag. Leave the handgunning to the Thompson Contenders or Encores. Chuck Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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> > > 44 Rem. Mag. (in rifles only), or the Russian 7.62 x 39 mm (AK-47) > > round? > It sort of depends on what the distances you’ll be hunting at. If > your hunting at distances with a max. of 150 yards, I would go > with the .44 mag.
Portions snipped > I disagree. I have a .44 mag and I also have a 7.62×39 Russian. Both are > equally bad for deer but if I had the choice of one I would alsways go for > the 7.62×39. It is a miconception that the .44mag is a good round for deer. > If you are hunting at less than 50 yds maybe but the energy and ballistics > drop off mighty fast over greater distances. > I hunt whitetail and wild boar. I recenty killed a boar with my .44 but it > was at 15yds. I stick with the .270, 06 or my 7mmRem Mag. Leave the > handgunning to the Thompson Contenders or Encores. Chuck
I think you missed one important point about this thread and that being we are talking a .44 Mag round fired out of a rifle, not a handgun. The longer barrel of a rifle does make a difference in the performance of the round. I agree that over longer distances I would go with the 7.62X39 being that’s what I already said. Ballisticly there isn’t that much difference between the two out to 100 yards but at 200 yards there is. That is why I limited the .44 mag to 150 yards. Yes, there are better rounds than these two for taking deer but if the truth be known, a great many whitetails have been taken with the .22 long rifle. Am I recommending it? No but it has been done (still is by some) and both these rounds are much better than the .22. Many areas are limited to using shotguns to take deer and both these rounds are better than the conventional slug for taking deer. The thing with any round is knowing the limitations of the round and staying within that. Fact is most hunters need to learn to stay within their own limitations. Going with a more powerful round will never compensate poor shooting skills. As for your statement "Leave the handgunning to the Thompson Contenders or Encores", go back and read my previous sentence. If you stay within your limitations and that of the firearm your using, there is nothing wrong with using a handgun other than a Thompson Contender like revolvers in .44 mag or even .357 mag. I have a buddy that has taken a couple of deer using a 9mm by staying within the limitations he knows he can place a killing shot. Kevin Volz Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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Can’t speak as to the 7.62×39. The .44 Mag makes a great deer rifle for 100 yards and under. Dad gave me one a few years ago and it hasn’t disappointed me yet. Watch your bullet choice, though. Most .44’s are designed for pistol velocities. You’ll get about 400fps more from a carbine, so pick a heavily constructed bullet, not a hollowpoint. I use Speer 240 grain soft points. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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Can’t speak as to the 7.62×39. The .44 Mag makes a great deer rifle for 100 yards and under. Dad gave me one a few years ago and it hasn’t disappointed me yet. Watch your bullet choice, though. Most .44’s are designed for pistol velocities. You’ll get about 400fps more from a carbine, so pick a heavily constructed bullet, not a hollowpoint. I use Speer 240 grain soft points. James D. Rogers 2207 Meadowgreen Circle Franktown, CO 80116 303-688-0480 303-885-7410 Cell (Working hours and when coyote huntin’!) Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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Ballistically the 7.62X39mm is very close to the .30- 30, so if you’d rather have a .44 over a .30-30 or vice versa, you have your answer. Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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> Which one would be better for hunting (whitetail) deer? Would it be the > 44 Rem. Mag. (in rifles only), or the Russian 7.62 x 39 mm (AK-47) > round? > Andrew T. Still
It sort of depends on what the distances you’ll be hunting at. If your hunting at distances with a max. of 150 yards, I would go with the .44 mag. If your hunting at longer than 150 yards, I would go with the 7.62X39. The 7.62X39 has a better trajectory, especially a longer ranges. Energy wise they are very close with the big difference being the .44 mag being a big slow load and the 7.62X39 being a lighter faster load, having a very slight edge energy wise. The main reason I give the .44 mag a nod at closer distances is, given the choice, I’ll take a larger diameter bullet over a smaller one with everything else being almost equal. Kevin Volz Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
