OT: Good news. Gadhafi wises up
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Check your local newswire of choice… Another one down More to go. Claude
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> Check your local newswire of choice… > Another one down > More to go. > Claude
Yet another vote for Bush!
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>> Check your local newswire of choice… > Another one down > More to go. > Claude >Yet another vote for Bush!
Gadhafi applied for citizenship as well? I musta missed that part. :^) Claude
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> Check your local newswire of choice… > Another one down > More to go.
Projecting power has its place. It is having its desired effect in the Middle East and Libya. I feel our projection of power in Iraq has had a positive effect on some nations that have been doing some things tha were going to eventually get themselves in some serious trouble. Yes, lives have been lost in the process, but I believe, in the context, we have done the right thing, strategically. God bless those who have given their lives, and God bless the innocents who have been killed. I think we are heading-off something potentially far, far worse than 9-11.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Check your local newswire of choice… > Another one down > More to go. >Projecting power has its place. >It is having its desired effect in the Middle >East and Libya. >I feel our projection of power in Iraq has had >a positive effect on some nations that have been >doing some things tha were going to eventually >get themselves in some serious trouble.
Absolutely. Not to mention the trouble for the West. >Yes, lives have been lost in the process, but >I believe, in the context, we have done the >right thing, strategically. >God bless those who have given their lives, and >God bless the innocents who have been killed.
Amen. >I think we are heading-off something potentially >far, far worse than 9-11.
Yep. Hoping a few more dominoes fall peacefully. Claude
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Check your local newswire of choice… >>Another one down >>More to go. >Projecting power has its place. >It is having its desired effect in the Middle >East and Libya. >I feel our projection of power in Iraq has had >a positive effect on some nations that have been >doing some things tha were going to eventually >get themselves in some serious trouble. > Absolutely. > Not to mention the trouble for the West. >Yes, lives have been lost in the process, but >I believe, in the context, we have done the >right thing, strategically. >God bless those who have given their lives, and >God bless the innocents who have been killed. > Amen. >I think we are heading-off something potentially >far, far worse than 9-11. > Yep. > Hoping a few more dominoes fall peacefully.
Me too. I’m worried about North Korea, though. You know they are watching all of this carefully, being #3 on the ‘list’ (Iran being #2, and guess what? through negotiations, they are showing signs of coming clean, and getting on the right side of things)… Syria, Egypt and Saudi Arabia are feeling pressure too… North Korea is so isolated and secretive, and has so much weaponry trained on Seoul (aside from the incredibly stupid soft implication *they* have put forth, that they might be able to hit the West coast of the US or Japan with a nuke)…I don’t think they are going to be as easy to intimidate, mainly because of the conventional hammer they have aimed at South Korea, 24×7. I read that from a satellite, you can clearly see the differentiation between North Korea and South Korea, because North Korea has few lights, due to their horrible infrastructure. The Korean War was not that damned long ago, if you get my drift. I don’t think *they* accept that it’s over for their way of doing business….and that makes them a very dangerous nation, to my way of thinking.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>Check your local newswire of choice… >>>Another one down >>>More to go. >>Projecting power has its place. >>It is having its desired effect in the Middle >>East and Libya. >>I feel our projection of power in Iraq has had >>a positive effect on some nations that have been >>doing some things tha were going to eventually >>get themselves in some serious trouble. > Absolutely. > Not to mention the trouble for the West. >>Yes, lives have been lost in the process, but >>I believe, in the context, we have done the >>right thing, strategically. >>God bless those who have given their lives, and >>God bless the innocents who have been killed. > Amen. >>I think we are heading-off something potentially >>far, far worse than 9-11. > Yep. > Hoping a few more dominoes fall peacefully. >Me too. >I’m worried about North Korea, though. >You know they are watching all of this carefully, >being #3 on the ‘list’ (Iran being #2, and guess what? >through negotiations, they are showing signs of >coming clean, and getting on the right side of things)… >Syria, Egypt and Saudi Arabia are feeling pressure >too… >North Korea is so isolated and secretive, and has so >much weaponry trained on Seoul (aside from the incredibly >stupid soft implication *they* have put forth, that they >might be able to hit the West coast of the US or Japan >with a nuke)…I don’t think they are going to be as easy >to intimidate, mainly because of the conventional hammer >they have aimed at South Korea, 24×7. >I read that from a satellite, you can clearly see the >differentiation between North Korea and South Korea, >because North Korea has few lights, due to their >horrible infrastructure. The Korean War was not that >damned long ago, if you get my drift. >I don’t think *they* accept that it’s over for their way of >doing business….and that makes them a very dangerous >nation, to my way of thinking.
Hard to say about NK They’re not much more isolated, politically than Libya has been. Maybe they’d like to eat and have a warm, lit place to live for a change. I’ve always thought that when the time comes, the Chinese will yank the NK’s leash, anyway. Probably when they ( the Chinese ) can gain something. Time will tell Claude
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>Check your local newswire of choice… >>>Another one down >>>More to go. >>Projecting power has its place. >>It is having its desired effect in the Middle >>East and Libya. >>I feel our projection of power in Iraq has had >>a positive effect on some nations that have been >>doing some things tha were going to eventually >>get themselves in some serious trouble. > Absolutely. > Not to mention the trouble for the West. >>Yes, lives have been lost in the process, but >>I believe, in the context, we have done the >>right thing, strategically. >>God bless those who have given their lives, and >>God bless the innocents who have been killed. > Amen. >>I think we are heading-off something potentially >>far, far worse than 9-11. > Yep. > Hoping a few more dominoes fall peacefully. > Me too. > I’m worried about North Korea, though. > You know they are watching all of this carefully, > being #3 on the ‘list’ (Iran being #2, and guess what? > through negotiations, they are showing signs of > coming clean, and getting on the right side of things)… > Syria, Egypt and Saudi Arabia are feeling pressure > too… > North Korea is so isolated and secretive, and has so > much weaponry trained on Seoul (aside from the incredibly > stupid soft implication *they* have put forth, that they > might be able to hit the West coast of the US or Japan > with a nuke)…I don’t think they are going to be as easy > to intimidate, mainly because of the conventional hammer > they have aimed at South Korea, 24×7. > I read that from a satellite, you can clearly see the > differentiation between North Korea and South Korea, > because North Korea has few lights, due to their > horrible infrastructure. The Korean War was not that > damned long ago, if you get my drift. > I don’t think *they* accept that it’s over for their way of > doing business….and that makes them a very dangerous > nation, to my way of thinking.
I agree, the NK are a scary bunch of deserate and hungry backwoods cousins. But it’s going to be like taming a rattlesnake to bring them up with the rest of us. Who gets to put their hand in the snake sack first?
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>>Check your local newswire of choice… >>>>Another one down >>>>More to go. >>>Projecting power has its place. >>>It is having its desired effect in the Middle >>>East and Libya. >>>I feel our projection of power in Iraq has had >>>a positive effect on some nations that have been >>>doing some things tha were going to eventually >>>get themselves in some serious trouble. >>Absolutely. >>Not to mention the trouble for the West. >>>Yes, lives have been lost in the process, but >>>I believe, in the context, we have done the >>>right thing, strategically. >>>God bless those who have given their lives, and >>>God bless the innocents who have been killed. >>Amen. >>>I think we are heading-off something potentially >>>far, far worse than 9-11. >>Yep. >>Hoping a few more dominoes fall peacefully. >Me too. >I’m worried about North Korea, though. >You know they are watching all of this carefully, >being #3 on the ‘list’ (Iran being #2, and guess what? >through negotiations, they are showing signs of >coming clean, and getting on the right side of things)… >Syria, Egypt and Saudi Arabia are feeling pressure >too… >North Korea is so isolated and secretive, and has so >much weaponry trained on Seoul (aside from the incredibly >stupid soft implication *they* have put forth, that they >might be able to hit the West coast of the US or Japan >with a nuke)…I don’t think they are going to be as easy >to intimidate, mainly because of the conventional hammer >they have aimed at South Korea, 24×7. >I read that from a satellite, you can clearly see the >differentiation between North Korea and South Korea, >because North Korea has few lights, due to their >horrible infrastructure. The Korean War was not that >damned long ago, if you get my drift. >I don’t think *they* accept that it’s over for their way of >doing business….and that makes them a very dangerous >nation, to my way of thinking. > I agree, the NK are a scary bunch of deserate and hungry backwoods cousins. > But it’s going to be like taming a rattlesnake to bring them up with the > rest of us. > Who gets to put their hand in the snake sack first?
Well, being a snake person from the tike years, I might disagree with the characterization of NK as a rattlesnake, except to agree with the deadly factor. All the other differences, we both know well…rattlesnakes are just another animal playing its part in nature, living its life…it doesn’t threaten, it warns, it would rather be left alone to pursue its (evolutionally very successful) path. It is a peaceful, fair animal, that is not all that different from a blacksnake or corn snake, except for the very potent weapon (tool) it uses, largely, to feed itsself. Very unlike NK. However, if some elements of the NK situation parallel how one deals with a wild snake…knowledge, speed, deception, and surprise are how you ‘handle’ a wild snake. Hopefully negotiation, pressure, time, and eventually incentive will work with NK…hopefully things don’t get so bad that the other ’snake methods’ are necessary. All that aside, let’s say
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>>>Check your local newswire of choice… >>>>>Another one down >>>>>More to go. >>>>Projecting power has its place. >>>>It is having its desired effect in the Middle >>>>East and Libya. >>>>I feel our projection of power in Iraq has had >>>>a positive effect on some nations that have been >>>>doing some things tha were going to eventually >>>>get themselves in some serious trouble. >>>Absolutely. >>>Not to mention the trouble for the West. >>>>Yes, lives have been lost in the process, but >>>>I believe, in the context, we have done the >>>>right thing, strategically. >>>>God bless those who have given their lives, and >>>>God bless the innocents who have been killed. >>>Amen. >>>>I think we are heading-off something potentially >>>>far, far worse than 9-11. >>>Yep. >>>Hoping a few more dominoes fall peacefully. >>Me too. >>I’m worried about North Korea, though. >>You know they are watching all of this carefully, >>being #3 on the ‘list’ (Iran being #2, and guess what? >>through negotiations, they are showing signs of >>coming clean, and getting on the right side of things)… >>Syria, Egypt and Saudi Arabia are feeling pressure >>too… >>North Korea is so isolated and secretive, and has so >>much weaponry trained on Seoul (aside from the incredibly >>stupid soft implication *they* have put forth, that they >>might be able to hit the West coast of the US or Japan >>with a nuke)…I don’t think they are going to be as easy >>to intimidate, mainly because of the conventional hammer >>they have aimed at South Korea, 24×7. >>I read that from a satellite, you can clearly see the >>differentiation between North Korea and South Korea, >>because North Korea has few lights, due to their >>horrible infrastructure. The Korean War was not that >>damned long ago, if you get my drift. >>I don’t think *they* accept that it’s over for their way of >>doing business….and that makes them a very dangerous >>nation, to my way of thinking. > I agree, the NK are a scary bunch of deserate and hungry backwoods cousins. > But it’s going to be like taming a rattlesnake to bring them up with the > rest of us. > Who gets to put their hand in the snake sack first? > Well, being a snake person from the tike years, > I might disagree with the characterization of NK > as a rattlesnake, except to agree with the deadly > factor. All the other differences, we both know > well…rattlesnakes are just another animal playing > its part in nature, living its life…it doesn’t > threaten, it warns, it would rather be left alone > to pursue its (evolutionally very successful) path. > It is a peaceful, fair animal, that is not all that > different from a blacksnake or corn snake, except > for the very potent weapon (tool) it uses, largely, > to feed itsself. > Very unlike NK.
Sure, I didn’t mean to imply that snakes, rattler or otherwise are decietful or evil, just that dealing with NK is going to seem a lot like taming them. Snakes will strike when they are cornered and threatened. But I agree a snake is just being a snake. > However, if some elements of the NK situation parallel > how one deals with a wild snake…knowledge, speed, > deception, and surprise are how you ‘handle’ a > wild snake.
Just as a wild snake can eventually become accustomed to humans to the point that it no longer feels threatened, NK if it hopes to survive will have to learn how to deal with contact with the civilized world without going reflexive. > Hopefully negotiation, pressure, time, and eventually > incentive will work with NK…hopefully things don’t > get so bad that the other ’snake methods’ are > necessary.
Every contact that they have that doesn’t result in them being attacked helps. There is no reason why that cannot go on as long as needed, except, if they freak and strike. > All that aside, let’s say
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>>>>Check your local newswire of choice… >>>>>>Another one down >>>>>>More to go. >>>>>Projecting power has its place. >>>>>It is having its desired effect in the Middle >>>>>East and Libya. >>>>>I feel our projection of power in Iraq has had >>>>>a positive effect on some nations that have been >>>>>doing some things tha were going to eventually >>>>>get themselves in some serious trouble. >>>>Absolutely. >>>>Not to mention the trouble for the West. >>>>>Yes, lives have been lost in the process, but >>>>>I believe, in the context, we have done the >>>>>right thing, strategically. >>>>>God bless those who have given their lives, and >>>>>God bless the innocents who have been killed. >>>>Amen. >>>>>I think we are heading-off something potentially >>>>>far, far worse than 9-11. >>>>Yep. >>>>Hoping a few more dominoes fall peacefully. >>>Me too. >>>I’m worried about North Korea, though. >>>You know they are watching all of this carefully, >>>being #3 on the ‘list’ (Iran being #2, and guess what? >>>through negotiations, they are showing signs of >>>coming clean, and getting on the right side of things)… >>>Syria, Egypt and Saudi Arabia are feeling pressure >>>too… >>>North Korea is so isolated and secretive, and has so >>>much weaponry trained on Seoul (aside from the incredibly >>>stupid soft implication *they* have put forth, that they >>>might be able to hit the West coast of the US or Japan >>>with a nuke)…I don’t think they are going to be as easy >>>to intimidate, mainly because of the conventional hammer >>>they have aimed at South Korea, 24×7. >>>I read that from a satellite, you can clearly see the >>>differentiation between North Korea and South Korea, >>>because North Korea has few lights, due to their >>>horrible infrastructure. The Korean War was not that >>>damned long ago, if you get my drift. >>>I don’t think *they* accept that it’s over for their way of >>>doing business….and that makes them a very dangerous >>>nation, to my way of thinking. >>I agree, the NK are a scary bunch of deserate and hungry backwoods > cousins. >>But it’s going to be like taming a rattlesnake to bring them up with the >>rest of us. >>Who gets to put their hand in the snake sack first? >Well, being a snake person from the tike years, >I might disagree with the characterization of NK >as a rattlesnake, except to agree with the deadly >factor. All the other differences, we both know >well…rattlesnakes are just another animal playing >its part in nature, living its life…it doesn’t >threaten, it warns, it would rather be left alone >to pursue its (evolutionally very successful) path. >It is a peaceful, fair animal, that is not all that >different from a blacksnake or corn snake, except >for the very potent weapon (tool) it uses, largely, >to feed itsself. >Very unlike NK. > Sure, I didn’t mean to imply that snakes, rattler or otherwise > are decietful or evil, just that dealing with NK is going > to seem a lot like taming them. Snakes will strike when they > are cornered and threatened. But I agree a snake is just being a snake. >However, if some elements of the NK situation parallel >how one deals with a wild snake…knowledge, speed, >deception, and surprise are how you ‘handle’ a >wild snake. > Just as a wild snake can eventually become accustomed to > humans to the point that it no longer feels threatened, NK > if it hopes to survive will have to learn how to deal with > contact with the civilized world without going reflexive.
An aside…IMO, wild snakes may see the oppotunity in hanging around man-made structures, they ain’t bears, deer, or squirrels in intellect by a long shot. Those mammals change their behavior (intelligently) when in an environment close to humans. Snakes, IME, may take advantage of human buildings, but they never get any more ‘used to’ people than in the wild…I’ve caught a lot of em…it didn’t much matter where they were, they behaved the same. They go the opposite direction, every one of them, if they have an ‘out’ regardless of whether they are a barn snake or a snake in the woods. Not that it needs support, but damn, are truly ‘wild’ squirrels a very wiley and difficult animal to hunt. Not worth it, either, very gamey…best fried (thinly sliced) or cooked a long time. All that is just my experience, but an aside to the kernel of what we are discussing. 
>Hopefully negotiation, pressure, time, and eventually >incentive will work with NK…hopefully things don’t >get so bad that the other ’snake methods’ are >necessary. > Every contact that they have that doesn’t result in them being attacked > helps. > There is no reason why that cannot go on as long as needed, except, if they > freak and strike.
I agree. NK is a very dicey matter. And because of other changes in the world…like with the economic engagement in China, perhaps this Stalanist state will change gradually over time….it is a ‘hold the line, and prevent a disaster’ situation…and maybe in 10 or 20 years, things will change from within, IMO. Sometimes buying time is the best option. Attacking them directly would be a disaster, IMHO. >All that aside, let’s say > ??
Editing mistake, there. Merry Christmas! , by the way.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Well, being a snake person from the tike years, >>I might disagree with the characterization of NK >>as a rattlesnake, except to agree with the deadly >>factor. All the other differences, we both know >>well…rattlesnakes are just another animal playing >>its part in nature, living its life…it doesn’t >>threaten, it warns, it would rather be left alone >>to pursue its (evolutionally very successful) path. >>It is a peaceful, fair animal, that is not all that >>different from a blacksnake or corn snake, except >>for the very potent weapon (tool) it uses, largely, >>to feed itsself. >>Very unlike NK. > Sure, I didn’t mean to imply that snakes, rattler or otherwise > are decietful or evil, just that dealing with NK is going > to seem a lot like taming them. Snakes will strike when they > are cornered and threatened. But I agree a snake is just being a snake. >>However, if some elements of the NK situation parallel >>how one deals with a wild snake…knowledge, speed, >>deception, and surprise are how you ‘handle’ a >>wild snake. > Just as a wild snake can eventually become accustomed to > humans to the point that it no longer feels threatened, NK > if it hopes to survive will have to learn how to deal with > contact with the civilized world without going reflexive. > An aside…IMO, wild snakes may see the oppotunity in hanging around > man-made structures, they ain’t bears, deer, or squirrels in > intellect by a long shot.
No that’s true, it’s hard to even ascribe any thought at all to a reptilian brain. Almost certainly there is no self awareness of any sort. I don’t believe that a reptile brain has all the needed components for learning or memory. > Those mammals change their behavior (intelligently) when in an > environment close to humans. Snakes, IME, may take advantage > of human buildings, but they never get any more ‘used to’ people > than in the wild…I’ve caught a lot of em…it didn’t much matter > where they were, they behaved the same. They go the opposite > direction, every one of them, if they have an ‘out’ regardless of > whether they are a barn snake or a snake in the woods.
Well, Yeah. But what I meant was more of an intimate contact than just hanging out in the barn or under the garage. I’ve had many snakes that when I first caught them would be striking or trying to for as long as you held them, but after a while they seemed to lose the reflex and as a cold blooded creature, begin to appreciate the mammalian heat. Not that a snake is capable of recognition or reason, but they do seem to be able to cease seeing humans as threats and begin seeing them as, I guess as warm rocks or something. > Not that it needs support, but damn, are truly ‘wild’ squirrels > a very wiley and difficult animal to hunt. Not worth it, either, > very gamey…best fried (thinly sliced) or cooked a long time.
yep. the best way is to find an oak grove with some nests and sit very still for a long while. Then you’ll only hear them at first. They rarely let themselves be seen and have a way of keeping a tree trunk between you and themselves. You have to be a pretty good shot to hit the little bit of them that you will see. Even when you think you have hit one, they have a weird way of dissappearing half way to the ground. I like them OK, but much prefer rabbits. Easier to hunt and they taste good to boot. i really don’t hunt at all anymore though I am pretty good at it, and could if I had to. it’s just that pulling the skin off of dead things is not my idea of fun really, and the supermarket is usualy pretty well stocked with tasty mammalian carcass snackage. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> All that is just my experience, but an aside to the kernel of > what we are discussing. >>Hopefully negotiation, pressure, time, and eventually >>incentive will work with NK…hopefully things don’t >>get so bad that the other ’snake methods’ are >>necessary. > Every contact that they have that doesn’t result in them being attacked > helps. > There is no reason why that cannot go on as long as needed, except, if they > freak and strike. > I agree. NK is a very dicey matter. > And because of other changes in the world…like with the > economic engagement in China, perhaps this Stalanist state > will change gradually over time….it is a ‘hold the line, > and prevent a disaster’ situation…and maybe in 10 or 20 > years, things will change from within, IMO.
Well, things would have to change I think, I mean, how long can a people go on living on boiled shoes and tree bark? > Sometimes buying time is the best option. > Attacking them directly would be a disaster, IMHO.
True enough, but then again, maybe not attacking them directly will be a disaster too. The whole situation has disaster written all over it either way IMO. >>All that aside, let’s say > ?? > Editing mistake, there.
> Merry Christmas! , by the way.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >>Well, being a snake person from the tike years, > >>I might disagree with the characterization of NK > >>as a rattlesnake, except to agree with the deadly > >>factor. All the other differences, we both know > >>well…rattlesnakes are just another animal playing > >>its part in nature, living its life…it doesn’t > >>threaten, it warns, it would rather be left alone > >>to pursue its (evolutionally very successful) path. > >>It is a peaceful, fair animal, that is not all that > >>different from a blacksnake or corn snake, except > >>for the very potent weapon (tool) it uses, largely, > >>to feed itsself. > >>Very unlike NK. > > Sure, I didn’t mean to imply that snakes, rattler or otherwise > > are decietful or evil, just that dealing with NK is going > > to seem a lot like taming them. Snakes will strike when they > > are cornered and threatened. But I agree a snake is just being a snake. > >>However, if some elements of the NK situation parallel > >>how one deals with a wild snake…knowledge, speed, > >>deception, and surprise are how you ‘handle’ a > >>wild snake. > > Just as a wild snake can eventually become accustomed to > > humans to the point that it no longer feels threatened, NK > > if it hopes to survive will have to learn how to deal with > > contact with the civilized world without going reflexive. > An aside…IMO, wild snakes may see the oppotunity in hanging around > man-made structures, they ain’t bears, deer, or squirrels in > intellect by a long shot. > No that’s true, it’s hard to even ascribe any thought at all to a reptilian > brain. > Almost certainly there is no self awareness of any sort. I don’t believe > that > a reptile brain has all the needed components for learning or memory. > Those mammals change their behavior (intelligently) when in an > environment close to humans. Snakes, IME, may take advantage > of human buildings, but they never get any more ‘used to’ people > than in the wild…I’ve caught a lot of em…it didn’t much matter > where they were, they behaved the same. They go the opposite > direction, every one of them, if they have an ‘out’ regardless of > whether they are a barn snake or a snake in the woods. > Well, Yeah. But what I meant was more of an intimate contact than > just hanging out in the barn or under the garage. I’ve had many snakes that > when I first caught them would be striking or trying to for as long as you > held > them, but after a while they seemed to lose the reflex and as a cold blooded > creature, > begin to appreciate the mammalian heat. Not that a snake is capable of > recognition > or reason, but they do seem to be able to cease seeing humans as threats and > begin > seeing them as, I guess as warm rocks or something.
I’ve had my share of contact with snakes from numerous geographical locations…. and… snakes are snakes… they will do their best to get away, bite you if they feel the need.. and will be ‘a snake’ no matter how you treat them, for however long…. as they say… " A snake, is a snake." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Not that it needs support, but damn, are truly ‘wild’ squirrels > a very wiley and difficult animal to hunt. Not worth it, either, > very gamey…best fried (thinly sliced) or cooked a long time. > yep. the best way is to find an oak grove with some nests and sit very still > for a long while. > Then you’ll only hear them at first. They rarely let themselves be seen and > have a way of keeping a tree trunk between you and themselves. You have to > be a pretty > good shot to hit the little bit of them that you will see. Even when you > think you have > hit one, they have a weird way of dissappearing half way to the ground. > I like them OK, but much prefer rabbits. Easier to hunt and they taste good > to boot.
I hunted forrest squirels as a kid, with my father… we used a couple of methods to get them…. We had a ‘call’ that would get them to come in close enough to shoot them. Or we’d go with ’squirrel dogs’ that would tree them, and eventually they’d jump…! ! ! It was a moving target shot on a squirrel coming out of the tip-top of a tree..! ! ! And no.. these were not ‘flying squirrels"… The very first time you experience this it is plenty supprising. They just LEAP from the top of the tree… and free-fall to the ground… bounce on the leaves and run like the dickens…! ! ! ! The trick is to shoot them on the way down… I’m not a fan of squirrel stew so I gave up hunting them… until they decided they wanted to live in my attic… then I killed a few, left them where they fell, as a lesson to the others. It works like a charm, not a squirrel for years. They ARE getting a bit bolder, so it’s time to take a couple of them down to remind the ‘new’ generation that they want to live somewhere OTHER than my attic. > i really don’t hunt at all anymore though I am pretty good at it, and could > if I had to.
Me too…. > it’s just that pulling the skin off of dead things is not my idea of fun > really, and the supermarket is usualy pretty well stocked with tasty > mammalian carcass snackage.
Agreed…! ! ! ! Ahhhh….. deceased beast..! ! ! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> All that is just my experience, but an aside to the kernel of > what we are discussing. > >>Hopefully negotiation, pressure, time, and eventually > >>incentive will work with NK…hopefully things don’t > >>get so bad that the other ’snake methods’ are > >>necessary. > > Every contact that they have that doesn’t result in them being attacked > > helps. > > There is no reason why that cannot go on as long as needed, except, if > they > > freak and strike. > I agree. NK is a very dicey matter. > And because of other changes in the world…like with the > economic engagement in China, perhaps this Stalanist state > will change gradually over time….it is a ‘hold the line, > and prevent a disaster’ situation…and maybe in 10 or 20 > years, things will change from within, IMO. > Well, things would have to change I think, I mean, how long can a people > go on living on boiled shoes and tree bark?
Our best move… IMMHO… would be to insist that the Chinese deal with the NKs… > Sometimes buying time is the best option. > Attacking them directly would be a disaster, IMHO. > True enough, but then again, maybe not attacking them directly will be a > disaster too. > The whole situation has disaster written all over it either way IMO.
Agreed. It must be noted that the NK’s are not NEAR as dumb or stupid as many people think… they are quite savvy. gtski – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >>All that aside, let’s say > > ?? > Editing mistake, there. > Merry Christmas! , by the way. > Back to you!
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > >>Well, being a snake person from the tike years, > > >>I might disagree with the characterization of NK > > >>as a rattlesnake, except to agree with the deadly > > >>factor. All the other differences, we both know > > >>well…rattlesnakes are just another animal playing > > >>its part in nature, living its life…it doesn’t > > >>threaten, it warns, it would rather be left alone > > >>to pursue its (evolutionally very successful) path. > > >>It is a peaceful, fair animal, that is not all that > > >>different from a blacksnake or corn snake, except > > >>for the very potent weapon (tool) it uses, largely, > > >>to feed itsself. > > >>Very unlike NK. > > > Sure, I didn’t mean to imply that snakes, rattler or otherwise > > > are decietful or evil, just that dealing with NK is going > > > to seem a lot like taming them. Snakes will strike when they > > > are cornered and threatened. But I agree a snake is just being a > snake. > > >>However, if some elements of the NK situation parallel > > >>how one deals with a wild snake…knowledge, speed, > > >>deception, and surprise are how you ‘handle’ a > > >>wild snake. > > > Just as a wild snake can eventually become accustomed to > > > humans to the point that it no longer feels threatened, NK > > > if it hopes to survive will have to learn how to deal with > > > contact with the civilized world without going reflexive. > > An aside…IMO, wild snakes may see the oppotunity in hanging around > > man-made structures, they ain’t bears, deer, or squirrels in > > intellect by a long shot. > No that’s true, it’s hard to even ascribe any thought at all to a > reptilian > brain. > Almost certainly there is no self awareness of any sort. I don’t believe > that > a reptile brain has all the needed components for learning or memory. > > Those mammals change their behavior (intelligently) when in an > > environment close to humans. Snakes, IME, may take advantage > > of human buildings, but they never get any more ‘used to’ people > > than in the wild…I’ve caught a lot of em…it didn’t much matter > > where they were, they behaved the same. They go the opposite > > direction, every one of them, if they have an ‘out’ regardless of > > whether they are a barn snake or a snake in the woods. > Well, Yeah. But what I meant was more of an intimate contact than > just hanging out in the barn or under the garage. I’ve had many snakes > that > when I first caught them would be striking or trying to for as long as you > held > them, but after a while they seemed to lose the reflex and as a cold > blooded > creature, > begin to appreciate the mammalian heat. Not that a snake is capable of > recognition > or reason, but they do seem to be able to cease seeing humans as threats > and > begin > seeing them as, I guess as warm rocks or something. > I’ve had my share of contact with snakes from numerous geographical > locations…. and… snakes are snakes… they will do their best to > get away, bite you if they feel the need.. and will be ‘a snake’ no matter > how you treat them, for however long…. as they say… " A snake, is a > snake."
I had a Boa and a Python for quite a while, and neither one still exhibited much of that reflex. The Boa in fact, actually seemed to LIKE the contact. I also have kept a few Racers, Garters, Cornsnakes, and such, and once, even a baby Timber rattler for a period of a month or two. the Rattler I never felt any need to handle, but all the others got used to me and ceased trying to get away or strike, and would just crawl up on me to soak up warmth. I don’t think it was the scent really, because once they were used to me they were pretty good eith others too, although the Python and the Racers got a little testy and would bit every once in a while. Sounds ugly, but cats bite worse than Pythons do. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Not that it needs support, but damn, are truly ‘wild’ squirrels > > a very wiley and difficult animal to hunt. Not worth it, either, > > very gamey…best fried (thinly sliced) or cooked a long time. > yep. the best way is to find an oak grove with some nests and sit very > still > for a long while. > Then you’ll only hear them at first. They rarely let themselves be seen > and > have a way of keeping a tree trunk between you and themselves. You have to > be a pretty > good shot to hit the little bit of them that you will see. Even when you > think you have > hit one, they have a weird way of dissappearing half way to the ground. > I like them OK, but much prefer rabbits. Easier to hunt and they taste > good > to boot. > I hunted forrest squirels as a kid, with my father… we used a couple of > methods to get them…. We had a ‘call’ that would get them to come in > close enough to shoot them. Or we’d go with ’squirrel dogs’ that would > tree them, and eventually they’d jump…! ! ! It was a moving target shot > on a squirrel coming out of the tip-top of a tree..! ! ! And no.. these > were > not ‘flying squirrels"… The very first time you experience this it is > plenty supprising. They just LEAP from the top of the tree… and > free-fall > to the ground… bounce on the leaves and run like the dickens…! ! ! !
LOL, Yeah I’ve seen that. Plenty amazing, Some of those old Oaks that they like are 100ft tall too. > The trick is to shoot them on the way down…
you and your Pop must have hunted them with shotguns I’d say. I used a .22LR bolt with a scope. You’d wait to see their heads poking around the tree, squeeze off and wait to see what happened. Sometimes they drop to the ground like you described, but instead of trying to hit them falling, with a rifle the thing to do is to just get to that spot as soon as you can, If you got him there he would be, but like as not you at least could see where he ran to and stalk him out again. Sometimes, you’d see them fall, but they just seem to disappear in midair, never did make the ground. I figure that they grabbed a branch and scrabbled behind the trunk of a nearby tree. Then you could do that madding dance around the tree trunk dance that squirrels do so well, if you could ever find it again. > I’m not a fan of squirrel stew so I gave up hunting them… until they > decided they > wanted to live in my attic… then I killed a few, left them where they > fell, as > a lesson to the others. It works like a charm, not a squirrel for years. > They ARE getting a bit bolder, so it’s time to take a couple of them down > to remind the ‘new’ generation that they want to live somewhere OTHER > than my attic.
LOL. I feed them so they don’t eat my garden and clean out the birdfeeders. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> i really don’t hunt at all anymore though I am pretty good at it, and > could > if I had to. > Me too…. > it’s just that pulling the skin off of dead things is not my idea of fun > really, and the supermarket is usualy pretty well stocked with tasty > mammalian carcass snackage. > Agreed…! ! ! ! > Ahhhh….. deceased beast..! ! ! > > All that is just my experience, but an aside to the kernel of > > what we are discussing. > > >>Hopefully negotiation, pressure, time, and eventually > > >>incentive will work with NK…hopefully things don’t > > >>get so bad that the other ’snake methods’ are > > >>necessary. > > > Every contact that they have that doesn’t result in them being > attacked > > > helps. > > > There is no reason why that cannot go on as long as needed, except, if > they > > > freak and strike. > > I agree. NK is a very dicey matter. > > And because of other changes in the world…like with the > > economic engagement in China, perhaps this Stalanist state > > will change gradually over time….it is a ‘hold the line, > > and prevent a disaster’ situation…and maybe in 10 or 20 > > years, things will change from within, IMO. > Well, things would have to change I think, I mean, how long can a people > go on living on boiled shoes and tree bark? > Our best move… IMMHO… would be to insist that the Chinese deal > with the NKs… > > Sometimes buying time is the best option. > > Attacking them directly would be a disaster, IMHO. > True enough, but then again, maybe not attacking them directly will be a > disaster too. > The whole situation has disaster written all over it either way IMO. > Agreed. > It must be noted that the NK’s are not NEAR as dumb or stupid > as many people think… they are quite savvy. > gtski
Yep, not stupid just sly and stubborn.
