Needed: INfo onthe new KNIGHT Disc Rifle
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Just got back from the North American Hunting Club jamboree in Las Vegas. While there I had an opportunity to try out the Knight 50 cal disk muzzle loader. Loaded with the new pyrodex pellets and a sabot load the rifle consistantly fired tight shots even in the rain. Everyone was amazed that these rifles continued to perform flawlessly under the most adverse conditions I’ve ever seen. The triggers were crisp and there was no noticable lag from trigger pull to bang! I’d reccomend one in an instant. K. Chiatello, Fremont CA — Calvin and Hobbes (Bill Watterson): "The surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that it has never tried to contact us."
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Just a side note. I just got my Colorado big game booklet and they specified this year that "pellet" black powder is illegal. I didn’t know what they meant until I read this thread. SO, if you purchase this rifle, be aware that you can’t hunt with it during the regular "muzzle loading" season in Colorado. Other states may have the same regulation. Also, you can’t use a sabot in Colorado either. Only a cloth patch. Ken Yoder
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-snip > what they meant until I read this thread. SO, if you purchase this rifle, > be aware that you can’t hunt with it during the regular "muzzle loading" > season in Colorado. Other states may have the same regulation.
-snip The rifle can be used if you use regular black powder though. (Unless there is a specific ban against the gun itself) The DISC can be used with normal black powder. Todd Alexander Mechanical Dynamics,Inc Engineering Analyst 2301 Commonwealth Blvd. (810)826-6461 Ann Arbor, MI 48105 "That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms…"–Samuel Adams
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Rifle > I’ve had the opportunity to handle this rifle, although I haven’t shot
>it, and here is my honest opinion. >The rifle looks and feels good. I like the stock, it fits real nice. >The bolt action is much smoother and better feeling than the Rem. 700 >ML. The trigger is just as nice as the rest of the Knight triggers. >As far as looks and feel go, I think this is a great gun. As far as >the 3200 fps, I’m kind of leery of that number. The Knight brochure I >have in front of me right now, claims 2,000 fps with a 250gr Red Hot >bullet in the new high pressure sabot using 150gr of the pellets. >Based on my past experience with Knight’s claims, I’ll say that this is >obtainable. However, 150 grains of powder in a 7lb rifle is going to >pack on heck of a wallop. I’d be curious to see if it is significant >enough to cause flinching problems in many people. Especially when my >90gr of FFg work just fine for the distances I’ve been shooting with >my Wolverine. Cabelas carries these rifles and they state that they will achieve almost 2000 fps with the load you described. That 2000 fps is honking on for a Muzzle Loader. 3200 fps is/was/has to be a typo. I wouldn t want to shoot 150 grains very many times. OK, call me a woos! >Here are the negatives as I see them. You have to use the plastic DISCs >to shoot the gun. I’m told they can be used a couple of times, but the >replacement cost is around $15/6, also the pellets are much more expensive >than regular powder. Cabela sells the DISCs for $13.99 per 25. Still pretty healthy price if you shoot a lot. The Pyrodex 50 grain pellets are $17.99 per 100 in 50 caliber only. I understand that they will be making other sizes, both in grain weight and caliber. > So if cost is an issue, you may want to try a different
>in-line. In addition, the pellets have to be loaded with a certain >orientation to ignite properly which leaves room for mistakes should you >need a quick second shot. Finally, the gun is going to run somewhere >near $400 I believe which is more than you need to spend if you’re on any >kind of budget. >If I were in the market for a good gun, I’d stick with my Knight Wolverine >with the thumbhole stock. It hasn’t let me down, and runs for a fair >amount less than the DISC rifle. Maybe as the DISC gains popularity, the >pellets and DISCs will drop in price, but I’m going to wait a while before >jumping in and getting one. I do believe that the Prodex pellets can be shot in any muzzle loader. From one who has never had a misfire, I think that I can do without the DISC at that price. My Knight T-5 is still plenty of gun for my purposes. BUT, it is kinda nice getting a new one every now and then,. ;o) Traditions makes a Bolt Action muzzleloader that might be worth looking at. It sell for $259 & $279 for the blued and nickel respectively. > One last note, if you do decide to buy an in-line, and your state allows
>the use of sabot bullets, get some of the Precision Rifle bullets. They >are by far the best on the market today. You can get more info and order Good looking bullets. They are also on the web, but I have misplaced the URL. Todd, If you get your hands on one to shoot, let us know what it will do. Of course we already know it is capable of downrange terminal energy . ;o) >Good luck, and happy hunting. > Todd Alexander
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I am in the market to purchase a new in-line blackpowder rifle and recently saw an article a friend cut out of a magazine ( he couldn’t even remember which magazine ) and it described the new "disc" rifle in 50 cal. from Knight. It flaunted up to 3200fps with 390gr maxi-balls and 150 Gr of pyrodex "disc" powder in convenient plugs ( 3 to be exact at 50 gr ea.) besides #11 percussion caps a #209 shotshell primer could be used in it’s place. This bolt action rifle seemed too good to be true and I would like some input before I decide on buying it. — BIGJAY
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> I am in the market to purchase a new in-line blackpowder rifle and > recently saw an article a friend cut out of a magazine ( he couldn’t even > remember which magazine ) and it described the new "disc" rifle in 50 cal. > from Knight. It flaunted up to 3200fps with 390gr maxi-balls and 150 Gr of > pyrodex "disc" powder in convenient plugs ( 3 to be exact at 50 gr ea.) > besides #11 percussion caps a #209 shotshell primer could be used in it’s > place. This bolt action rifle seemed too good to be true and I would like > some input before I decide on buying it. > — > BIGJAY
I’ve had the opportunity to handle this rifle, although I haven’t shot it, and here is my honest opinion. The rifle looks and feels good. I like the stock, it fits real nice. The bolt action is much smoother and better feeling than the Rem. 700 ML. The trigger is just as nice as the rest of the Knight triggers. As far as looks and feel go, I think this is a great gun. As far as the 3200 fps, I’m kind of leery of that number. The Knight brochure I have in front of me right now, claims 2,000 fps with a 250gr Red Hot bullet in the new high pressure sabot using 150gr of the pellets. Based on my past experience with Knight’s claims, I’ll say that this is obtainable. However, 150 grains of powder in a 7lb rifle is going to pack on heck of a wallop. I’d be curious to see if it is significant enough to cause flinching problems in many people. Especially when my 90gr of FFg work just fine for the distances I’ve been shooting with my Wolverine. Here are the negatives as I see them. You have to use the plastic DISCs to shoot the gun. I’m told they can be used a couple of times, but the replacement cost is around $15/6, also the pellets are much more expensive than regular powder. So if cost is an issue, you may want to try a different in-line. In addition, the pellets have to be loaded with a certain orientation to ignite properly which leaves room for mistakes should you need a quick second shot. Finally, the gun is going to run somewhere near $400 I believe which is more than you need to spend if you’re on any kind of budget. If I were in the market for a good gun, I’d stick with my Knight Wolverine with the thumbhole stock. It hasn’t let me down, and runs for a fair amount less than the DISC rifle. Maybe as the DISC gains popularity, the pellets and DISCs will drop in price, but I’m going to wait a while before jumping in and getting one. One last note, if you do decide to buy an in-line, and your state allows the use of sabot bullets, get some of the Precision Rifle bullets. They are by far the best on the market today. You can get more info and order Good luck, and happy hunting. Todd Alexander Mechanical Dynamics,Inc Engineering Analyst 2301 Commonwealth Blvd. (810)826-6461 Ann Arbor, MI 48105 "That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms…"–Samuel Adams
