Moly coated bullets
Question:
>Do you know of a .338 bullet with a full length jacket? The only thing >that attaches me to the X bullets, given that the "meanest" thing I hunt >with my .338 is elk, is that the solid copper slug doesn’t get it’s nose >all beat up in the magazine.
I’ve used factory Winchester Failsafes in .338 to see how they shot. Not sure what the black coating is/does, but there’s no exposed lead visible and they don’t get flattened in the mag from recoil like softpoints. If my rifle would group them as well as it does noslers, I might try hunting with them… — San Marcos Pistolero Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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SNIP > I’ve used factory Winchester Failsafes in .338 to see how they shot. > Not sure what the black coating is/does, but there’s no exposed lead > visible and they don’t get flattened in the mag from recoil like > softpoints.
SNIP The Failsafe bullets are aslo available as reloading components. Keep your stick on the ice, Thos. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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> Unless you’re using moly-coated x-bullets > (has anyone done that yet?) you’re going to leave a lot more lead in your > game than you will moly. > — > Michael Brady
I have hunted wild boar with moly coated Barnes X bullets in .338 Win and .300 Win, but have not eaten any of the kills (pigs in the area could be infected with anything up to and including TB). I seriously doubt there are any health risks accosiated though. As one other poster commented, why not worry about lead poisening? I think coated hunting bullets are worth shooting (obveosly, I’m doing it). It does help reduce fowling, though I’m dubeos of clames of 100+ shots and no need to clean. Even my best behaved barrel doesent like more than 30-40 shots without cleaning. Fergus Bailey Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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> I’ve used factory Winchester Failsafes in .338 to see how they shot. > If my rifle would group them as well as it does noslers, I might try > hunting with them…
Hmmm, Failsafes out of my Win. M70 .338 grouped well enough to put a moose down with 1 shot for the past 3 years. (:>) Marty Shurr North Pole, Alaska Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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|> Does anyone have knowledge of health effects from eating meat from an |> animal — not, from a wound channel — shot with a moly coated bullet? I sense a troll here, but… Unless you’re using moly-coated x-bullets (has anyone done that yet?) you’re going to leave a lot more lead in your game than you will moly. Other than setting aside lead birdshot found when eating waterfowl or rabbit, I’ve never heard anyone worry about the health risks of consuming big game shot with expanding lead bullets. As a rule the tissue "touched" by the lead bullet is damaged beyond palatability and is discarded when the game is processed. — Michael Brady Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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|> You also probably have to moly your own bullets ’cause most of |> the commercial molied bullets are match bullets not suitable for |> hunting. I wonder if moly coating the Barnes X-bullet would help reduce it’s tendency to foul badly in some rifle bores (such as my M700)? — Michael Brady Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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> |> You also probably have to moly your own bullets ’cause most of > |> the commercial molied bullets are match bullets not suitable for > |> hunting. > I wonder if moly coating the Barnes X-bullet would help reduce it’s > tendency to foul badly in some rifle bores (such as my M700)?
Yo, Michael: I was swapping stories with Mark Stousse of DelStar/Black Star a while back and one of the things which came up was the Barnes X. Seems like the biggest problem with fouling and the X bullet is that they are undersized for the bore. This allows hot gasses to pass the bullet in the bore, causing flame cutting, and the thus melted bullet surface to be deposited in the bore. No surprise, this is the very same thing seen by cast bullet shooters using undersized bullets and I’d run into it many times with revolvers and lead … I just hadn’t applied what I already knew to the new situation. The thing which would probably most help the X bullet is a very tight bore which would reduce, maybe even eliminate, flame cutting and depositing of the melted copper in the bore. Seeing how moly is actually burnished into/onto the surface of the bore by the pressure of the bullet passing over it, I’d think that, since the X bullets are undersized, the moly would not be applied to the barrels surface. Moly lasts a while in a barrel, but if you quit using molied bullets, it will wear off after .. ??? … "some" rounds … number probably varying with conditions. You might moly coat other bullets, "condition" your barrel, then maybe moly some X bullets and use them more or less sparingly, or at least shooting a bunch of the other bullets periodically to maintain the moly coating in the barrel. That’s a theory, Tom’s hairbrained scheme of the moment. Might work, might not. If you try it, lemme know how it goes. I’m curious. You might try a different bullet. :-) My gun (.338) likes the X boat tail, but they make an aweful mess. It took 2 days with shooters choice to get the copper out last time I shot. Do you know of a .338 bullet with a full length jacket? The only thing that attaches me to the X bullets, given that the "meanest" thing I hunt with my .338 is elk, is that the solid copper slug doesn’t get it’s nose all beat up in the magazine. Tom Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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I’ve been following with interest the target fraternity as they get into moly-coating bullets. Claimed and apparently documented benefits are less barrel cleaning, higher velocities, and lowered pressures. Does anyone have knowledge of health effects from eating meat from an animal — not, from a wound channel — shot with a moly coated bullet? Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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> I’ve been following with interest the target fraternity as they get into > moly-coating bullets. Claimed and apparently documented benefits are less > barrel cleaning, higher velocities, and lowered pressures. > Does anyone have knowledge of health effects from eating meat from an > animal — not, from a wound channel — shot with a moly coated bullet?
Are you serious? (???) That’s about like worrying about getting lead poisoning from a deer shot with a cast bullet. __FORGET ABOUT IT.__ As to effect for benchrest shooters … the stuff is amazing. I’ve been talking to guys who are going 400 – 500 rounds between cleanings and still shooting groups in the .1s and .2s at 100 yards with their custom 6mm PPC bench rifles. Cleaning consists of a couple damp patches, a few strokes with a nylon brush, a couple more damp patches, a light oil, and DONE. Actually, they get both lower pressure and lower velocity for a given load … they can get higher velocities, but only by increasing the load to get back to the original pressure. Also sometimes takes some changes to powder and a hotter primer because there is so little bullet pull at ignition time. I have not shot moly myself but have a couple buddies that do. After seeing their results, I’m sold on the stuff. I gotta get to using it. You would have to ask yourself if it is applicable to game hunting … you have to change a lot of what you do reloading … several extra steps. You also probably have to moly your own bullets ’cause most of the commercial molied bullets are match bullets not suitable for hunting. Tom Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
