Browning or Winchester?
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: Hi All, : I know this question will start a big discussion, but I’ll ask anyway. : If you had to choose between a Browning Medallion A bolt or a Winchester : 70 Sporter (both with the BOSS) which would be the better choice in a : 30-06? Thanks in advance. I vote for the Browning because of the smaller turn angle required to work the bolt (faster), and I like the saftey better… among other things. — n, Robert W Current, Grad Student _/ | _ Department of Chemistry /’ `’/ University of North Dakota <~ .’ NRA, SASS, VHA _/ | _/ `.`.
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> If you had to choose between a Browning Medallion A bolt or a Winchester > 70 Sporter (both with the BOSS) which would be the better choice in a > 30-06? Thanks in advance.
I picked the Browning myself over the mod 70 (2nd choice) because: 1) 22 inch barrel was shorter than Winchester’s 24 inch 2) 60 degree bolt throw better for gloved hands/scope 3) Clip magazine detaches and drops in your pocket 4) Free floating barrel standard 5) Safety is right under your thumb – locks bolt when on safe The Browning is a superior design (IMHO) for a hunting arm. The Winchester is a beautiful action, if the gun was a target arm, I’d have picked it over the Browning. By the way, I HATE the fact that I bought a gun made in Japan, but no American company offered the features I wanted. By the way, I’d skip the BOSS also. Looks like crap and hurts the ears. Good Luck! Lou
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<snip> > You can also get a non-ported version of the BOSS. Though, I’m guessing > most of the reason the BOSS is so accurate is actually recoil-reduction.
Actually it has to do with the counter weight, which apparently reduces unwanted barrel vibration as the shot is fired. You can get the BOSS without the porting, as you say, and it is as accurate as the ported version. In fact, you can interchange them without altering the setting and get the same accuracy. They only cost about $20. Regards, — // ~ ~ / (~ 0 0 ~) /`-_ ( )/ "Right now I’m having amnesia and deja vu at the . / same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before." |___| - Steven Wright
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> Beware that if you get either the A-bolt or the 70 with a Boss, you will > need to wear ear protection every time you shoot. Even hunting. They work > great, and you can watch the bullet hit the paper (even with a magnum) but > they increase muzzle blast to the shooter ten-fold. It is *very* loud. You > can do permanent damage to your hearing with only one shot like this. > You can also get a non-ported version of the BOSS. Though, I’m guessing > most of the reason the BOSS is so accurate is actually recoil-reduction. > Pete
I believe that the issue of muzzle blast from a BOSS equipped rifle is being blown way out of proprotion. Yes it is increased, but I haven’t noticed that significant of an increase. Obviously, at the range you will be wearing good quality hearing protection so there should really not be any problems, unless your shooting range "boxes" the shooter in and the blast will then be deflected back to the shooter. I have also found that if you are standing behind or to the side of a BOSS shooter you will get your socks blown off! I disagree with the need for wearing hearing protection while hunting, I’ve been hunting with my BOSS equipped 300 Win Mag for over two years now and have yet to have a case of ringing ears after shooting the rifle in the woods. If you are really worried about the muzzle blast, you can get the new version of the BOSS called the CR (for conventional recoil) which has eliminated the muzzle brake. Don’t let all the complaining talk you out of the gun! Richard
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> >> >> Hi All, >> I know this question will start a big discussion, but I’ll ask anyway. >> If you had to choose between a Browning Medallion A bolt or a Winchester >> 70 Sporter (both with the BOSS) which would be the better choice in a >> 30-06? Thanks in advance.? > >I’d would have liked to get a Winchester but they don’t make rifles for >southpaws, so I went with Browning. Maybe someday, Winchester might >expand their line in that direction, but for now I guess I’ll have to >wait. > >If you don’t have this affliction, I guess I’d suggest the Winchester >for two reasons: the Mauser action is, IMO, a more positive feed. And >the three position safety is very handy – I think Marlin adopted it for >their new bolt as well. > >Regards As someone posted earlier, and as has been very recently announced by Winchester, the Model 70 classic is now available in left-handed. Originally, Winchester did not plan on producing the 70 in left-handed at all, but finally changed their mind. I’m guessing that, like most other companies, (except Ruger) that the LH costs more. I would really have liked to get a 70 classic when I bought my Ruger, but they didn’t make it then. Best thing that ever happened to me ’cause I couldn’t be happier with my M77 in ‘06. Beware that if you get either the A-bolt or the 70 with a Boss, you will need to wear ear protection every time you shoot. Even hunting. They work great, and you can watch the bullet hit the paper (even with a magnum) but they increase muzzle blast to the shooter ten-fold. It is *very* loud. You can do permanent damage to your hearing with only one shot like this. You can also get a non-ported version of the BOSS. Though, I’m guessing most of the reason the BOSS is so accurate is actually recoil-reduction. Pete
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>> Hi All, > I know this question will start a big discussion, but I’ll ask anyway. > If you had to choose between a Browning Medallion A bolt or a Winchester > 70 Sporter (both with the BOSS) which would be the better choice in a > 30-06? Thanks in advance. > If you don’t have this affliction, I guess I’d suggest the Winchester > for two reasons: the Mauser action is, IMO, a more positive feed. And > the three position safety is very handy – I think Marlin adopted it for > their new bolt as well.
On the other hand, I bought my A-Bolt because my Mauser (Orbendorf(sp?)) jams. Cartridges sometimes pop out of the magazine before the extractor grbs them, and the extractor can not cope with a cartridge lip infront of the claw. BTW, this happens most often when I work the bolt vigorously i.e. when the rifle is pointed at game. In my experience, when you absoposolutely need a completely reliable rifle, take your A-Bolt. Yes, the Winchester’s 3 position safety is great, as is their field strippable bolt. On the other hand, Browning’s fold out magazine and 60 degree bolt are endearing. They are both good rifles, so pick one on the basis of looks, availability, cartridge, price, or whatever. You will be happy either way. — Keep your stick on the ice.
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Hi All, I know this question will start a big discussion, but I’ll ask anyway. If you had to choose between a Browning Medallion A bolt or a Winchester 70 Sporter (both with the BOSS) which would be the better choice in a 30-06? Thanks in advance. — Regards, Chuck Faranda
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> Hi All, > I know this question will start a big discussion, but I’ll ask anyway. > If you had to choose between a Browning Medallion A bolt or a Winchester > 70 Sporter (both with the BOSS) which would be the better choice in a > 30-06? Thanks in advance.
I’d would have liked to get a Winchester but they don’t make rifles for southpaws, so I went with Browning. Maybe someday, Winchester might expand their line in that direction, but for now I guess I’ll have to wait. If you don’t have this affliction, I guess I’d suggest the Winchester for two reasons: the Mauser action is, IMO, a more positive feed. And the three position safety is very handy – I think Marlin adopted it for their new bolt as well. Regards — // ~ ~ / (~ 0 0 ~) /`-_ ( )/ . / My opinions are mine. You’ll have to get your own. |___|
