.22's and Turtles
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use shorts. increase the angle of incidence. or "safe" your field of fire down range about 1 mile. don’t waste the money on .38 or 45 ammo. along the arkansas river in eastern oklahoma I use to turtle shoot soft-shell and other types espcecially when they got out of the water to sun themselves on a log. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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> The other solution is to expect a ricochet and plan what is in it’s path > (ie. if it’s just going to hit a dirt bank, who cares). It would be the > same idea has using a .22 when squirrel hunting – if there is a tree > branch behind the squirrel, shooting up is not a problem.
Of course, because it’s utterly inconceivable that you’d miss, right? steve Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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> > The other solution is to expect a ricochet and plan what is in > it’s path (ie. if it’s just going to hit a dirt bank, who cares). > It would be the same idea has using a .22 when squirrel hunting – > if there is a tree branch behind the squirrel, shooting up is not > a problem. > Of course, because it’s utterly inconceivable that you’d miss, right?
"Aim small; miss small" - Mel Gibson’s character in _The Patriot_ 
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Well, I don’t know about ricochets, but I know shooting turtles is one of the most fun things around. I could sit for hours in my "turtle stand". Robert Robert Lewis Austin, TX Join the NRA Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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Use an air rifle. $40 bb guns work great. Dave Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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> Gents hopefully you’ll be able to resolve some questions I have about > shooting turtles. We have several ponds with an abundance of turtles which > I’m told deplete the fish population.
The only turtles that are carnivorous enough to eat fish are Alligator snapping turtles, all others eat plants and some insects. Just letting you know in case you kill out the turtles and the fish numbers don’t increase. As for the .22LR it’s a great turtle rifle and round, as long as you take the cautions of the other posters into consideration. — Good Luck and Good Shooting Russ NRA, GOA, NRA-ILA My rifle and pistol are only the tools, _I_ am the weapon. "When a man sticks a gun in your face, you have two coices: die or kill the mother ******. (Sam Elliot) _Roadhouse_. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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> The only turtles that are carnivorous enough to eat fish are Alligator > snapping turtles, all others eat plants and some insects. Just letting you > know in case you kill out the turtles and the fish numbers don’t increase. > As for the .22LR it’s a great turtle rifle and round, as long as you take > the cautions of the other posters into consideration.
Most north American turtles are omnivores, and will kill and eat anything they get their mouth around. While they won’t do much to adult fish (I’m assuming we’re talking about fishable fish here, not minnows), they’ll happily munch on eggs and hatchlings. — Those who beat their swords into plowshares Shall live under the yoke of those who kept their swords. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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Sorry but not exactly true, at least not in my experience. My kids used to have a pet turtle (and it wasn’t a snapper). It loved minnows! Roy D. Sacramento
> The only turtles that are carnivorous enough to eat fish are Alligator > snapping turtles, all others eat plants and some insects.
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We lose a great many wood duck hatchlings to snappers and big mud turtles every year. -Russ > The only turtles that are carnivorous enough to eat fish are Alligator > snapping turtles, all others eat plants and some insects. Just letting you > know in case you kill out the turtles and the fish numbers don’t increase.
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Remember when you took your hunter saftey course.. I think it was like the first thing they tell you NEVER shoot in to water. Its on any ammunition box too. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Keep in mind any bullet will ricochet off water. > John Zunic > —–Original Message—– > Newsgroups: rec.hunting > Gents hopefully you’ll be able to resolve some questions I have about > shooting turtles. We have several ponds with an abundance of turtles which > I’m told deplete the fish population. One of the long time farmers culls > them > by using a .22 and shooting them when they surface. My concern is the > potential for ricochets if you miss the turtle. Would a heavier cartridge > like a 38 or 45 be a better solution to minimize ricochets ? I know turtle > traps are available but I figured I’d get some target practice in as well. > Any thoughts or suggestions are welcome. Also weighing in on the caliber > issue for deer, I have a .358 Win in the Browning BLR and have downed two > deer in the last two seasons. The first was a button buck at apx. 20 yds > where the bullet entered behind the shoulder and exited on the other side. > The second was a massive six pointer, big body small rack, at apx 150 yds. > The bullet was deflected and hit the deer right above the eye, didn’t exit > and dropped him in his tracks. Some say its too much for Eastern whitetails, > but you can’t argue with success. Andy > Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: > http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ > Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: > http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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float a woodedn pallet and shoot the turtles off the pallet. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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> Remember when you took your hunter saftey course.. I think it was > like the first thing they tell you NEVER shoot in to water. Its > on any ammunition box too.
… it wasn’t in *my* hunter’s safety course. What they did say was: 1) make sure of your background 2) realize that a bullet will deflect off the surface of the water, thus making the skyline behind the waterline your backdrop. In other words, if you know your bullet’s path even if it does deflect and it’s still safe, you can still do it. — + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Chris Barnes AOL IM: CNBarnes Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– Newsgroups: rec.hunting Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 3:10 PM > Remember when you took your hunter saftey course.. I think it was > like the first thing they tell you NEVER shoot in to water. Its > on any ammunition box too. > … it wasn’t in *my* hunter’s safety course. What they did say was: > 1) make sure of your background > 2) realize that a bullet will deflect off the surface of the water, thus > making the skyline behind the waterline your backdrop. > In other words, if you know your bullet’s path even if it does deflect and > it’s still safe, you can still do it. > — > + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + > Chris Barnes AOL IM: CNBarnes Hey do what ever you want, but im glad you dont live near me is all i can say. Its people like you that cause all those hunting "accidents" that the media Likes so much to make a big deal of.. > Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: > http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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Andy: Most turtles are not fish eaters. Only the snapping turtles and maybe the soft-shell turtles eat fish. All the others you see sunning themselves on logs, etc. are not fish eaters and do not need to be controlled. However, if you just like to shoot them thats ok, I don’t have a "PETA" bone in my body. Just a little FYI. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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> Keep in mind any bullet will ricochet off water.
Not true. I’ve done some testing on this. Ricochets happen only under very specific conditions. The angle has to be flat enough that the bullet doesn’t simply penetrate the surface of the water. The bullet has to be strong enough to maintain structural integrity though a drastic change in direction at whatever the impact velocity is. If you want to avoid ricochets, 1) increase velocity, 2) increase steepness of angle of the shot, 3) use more lightly constructed bullets. If you want to increase the likelihood of ricochets, use a slow, heavy bullet at a flat angle to the water. In other words, handgun cartridges are rather bad news; low velocity lead round nose bullets are really bad news. .22 long rifle, .38, 9mm, and .45 are all bad. Get up in a tree or some sort of stand, then use a .22-250 with varmint bullets. Tom Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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> Get up in a tree or some sort of stand, then use a .22-250 with > varmint bullets.
…all very true… The other solution is to expect a ricochet and plan what is in it’s path (ie. if it’s just going to hit a dirt bank, who cares). It would be the same idea has using a .22 when squirrel hunting – if there is a tree branch behind the squirrel, shooting up is not a problem. — + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Chris Barnes AOL IM: CNBarnes Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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Gents hopefully you’ll be able to resolve some questions I have about shooting turtles. We have several ponds with an abundance of turtles which I’m told deplete the fish population. One of the long time farmers culls them by using a .22 and shooting them when they surface. My concern is the potential for ricochets if you miss the turtle. Would a heavier cartridge like a 38 or 45 be a better solution to minimize ricochets ? I know turtle traps are available but I figured I’d get some target practice in as well. Any thoughts or suggestions are welcome. Also weighing in on the caliber issue for deer, I have a .358 Win in the Browning BLR and have downed two deer in the last two seasons. The first was a button buck at apx. 20 yds where the bullet entered behind the shoulder and exited on the other side. The second was a massive six pointer, big body small rack, at apx 150 yds. The bullet was deflected and hit the deer right above the eye, didn’t exit and dropped him in his tracks. Some say its too much for Eastern whitetails, but you can’t argue with success. Andy Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
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Keep in mind any bullet will ricochet off water. John Zunic – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ——Original Message—– Newsgroups: rec.hunting Gents hopefully you’ll be able to resolve some questions I have about shooting turtles. We have several ponds with an abundance of turtles which I’m told deplete the fish population. One of the long time farmers culls them by using a .22 and shooting them when they surface. My concern is the potential for ricochets if you miss the turtle. Would a heavier cartridge like a 38 or 45 be a better solution to minimize ricochets ? I know turtle traps are available but I figured I’d get some target practice in as well. Any thoughts or suggestions are welcome. Also weighing in on the caliber issue for deer, I have a .358 Win in the Browning BLR and have downed two deer in the last two seasons. The first was a button buck at apx. 20 yds where the bullet entered behind the shoulder and exited on the other side. The second was a massive six pointer, big body small rack, at apx 150 yds. The bullet was deflected and hit the deer right above the eye, didn’t exit and dropped him in his tracks. Some say its too much for Eastern whitetails, but you can’t argue with success. Andy Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
