Remington 1187
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I am thinking about buying a 12 guage version for dove, quail and skeet. Does anybody have any pro or con input? Is this a good, reliable gun?
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: I am thinking about buying a 12 guage version for dove, quail and : skeet. Does anybody have any pro or con input? Is this a good, : reliable gun? I have one that I made into a try gun to fit stocks to people. It is my loaner gun and I really like it. Shoots anything and has functioned flawlessly. I recently looked over the new Browning Gold semi-autos. I like the look of their action (looks like the old Super-X) and they fit me a little better (higher comb). -Scot — DISCLAIMER_DISCLAIMER_DISCLAIMER_DISCLAIMER_DISCLAIMER_DISCLAIMER_DISCLAIME R Everything I write is my opinion only. Nobody else would want it. DISCLAIMER_DISCLAIMER_DISCLAIMER_DISCLAIMER_DISCLAIMER_DISCLAIMER_DISCLAIME R Scot E. Heath "Nothing beats turning clay to dust." Fort Collins, CO
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>I am thinking about buying a 12 guage version for dove, quail and >skeet. Does anybody have any pro or con input? Is this a good, >reliable gun?
Ive got an 11-87 12 ga. and yes, it is a good, reliable gun. I’ve shot heavy 3" Steel shot and shot a lot of skeet w/ cheap 1oz loads. It has never jammed on me. The only other autoloader that I prefer over an 11-87 is a Benelli Super Black Eagle. The Benelli is the about the only shotgun I shoot now, I love it. I’ve got a Citori that I used to shoot skeet with, but now I shoot my scratched up Benelli. But my 11-87 will never be sold.
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> I am thinking about buying a 12 guage version for dove, quail and >skeet. Does anybody have any pro or con input? Is this a good, >reliable gun?
I agree with what has been said thus far about the reliability of the 11-87. However, it is a relatively heavy gun (over 8 lbs) and I had a tough time carrying mine after South Texas quail. If quail are a regular pursuit, I would suggest a lighter auto like the Benelli’s or Beretta’s. Larry
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> I am thinking about buying a 12 guage version for dove, quail and >skeet. Does anybody have any pro or con input? Is this a good, >reliable gun?
I think this gun is the finest semi-autos on the market. It is of modest cost, light recoil, and reliable. My sons each own one and use there’s for grouse, pheasant, quail and chukar. They also use this gun for sporting clays with good result. one of the few 100-straight achieved at sporting clays was shot with a model 1100 the predecessor of this gun. regards, Dave Jetmore — ** David L. Jetmore
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>> I am thinking about buying a 12 guage version for dove, quail and >skeet. Does anybody have any pro or con input? Is this a good, >reliable gun? > I agree with what has been said thus far about the reliability of >the 11-87. However, it is a relatively heavy gun (over 8 lbs) and I >had a tough time carrying mine after South Texas quail. If quail are >a regular pursuit, I would suggest a lighter auto like the Benelli’s >or Beretta’s. >Larry
Because I usually hunt grouse with my 11-87 Premier, I bought the 26 inch light contour barrel, and mine handles relatively quickly and weighs well under 8 pounds. Larry
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If I were you I would get a 30" or longer barrel for better patterns and easier swinging. Also, make sure it has the new barrel made of stronger steel than the old ones. Several of these ruptured during normal use. Todd
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I have shot them all and I vote for the Browning Gold model. Mine is in 20 gauge and smokes ‘em. The 11-87’s need action work and jam to beat hell in fowl weather. The Gold model works under extreme conditions. I have shot mine over 1200 rounds…..no jams. With my 11-87 special purpose, I get a jam every 30-40 shots.
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>I have shot them all and I vote for the Browning Gold model. Mine is in 20 >gauge and smokes ‘em. The 11-87’s need action work and jam to beat hell in >fowl weather. The Gold model works under extreme conditions. I have shot >mine over 1200 rounds…..no jams. With my 11-87 special purpose, I get a >jam every 30-40 shots.
John, How representative do you think your experience with the 11-87 is? I had one for 4 years, shot an average of 2500 rounds per year at skeet and another 300 per year in the Atchafalaya Delta, the worst duck-hunting conditions (mud, with little cover) I’ve ever put a gun through, and NEVER had jam. Further, this was all with reloaded ammo. I will say that I got tired of cleaning the gun, but it worked great for me. Also, what is your take on the potential longevity of the Browning Gold? I have been told by 2 different Browning dealers to "give it 5 years to get wrung out" because of Browning’s horrible record with gas-operated automatics (the A-500G being the latest casualty). Larry
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>>The 11-87’s need action work and jam to beat hell in >fowl weather. >With my 11-87 special purpose, I get a >jam every 30-40 shots.
See below, I suggest you try thoroughly cleaning the action inside the receiver. >John, > How representative do you think your experience with the 11-87 >is? I had one for 4 years, shot an average of 2500 rounds per year. .
NEVER had jam. Further, this was all with reloaded ammo. KEY CONTENT HERE: >I will say that I got tired of cleaning the gun, but it worked great >for me.
>Also, what is your take on . . . Browning Gold? >Larry
I am a proud and confident owner of an 11-87. If you neglect to clean this gun (once a year) inside the receiver, THOROUGHLY you will get jams. I was once having a jam problem with steel reloads. I contacted MEC and Tom (I think) Roster (MEC’s steel reload consultant at that time). Mr. Roster told me that he uses the very same gun to test many loads. It will jam if residue builds up inside the receiver. He gave me detailed verbal instructions on how to clean it properly. Slower burning powders contribute to the fouling. I have been scrubbing it annualy, in addition to regular cleaning, and no longer have any problems. I have great confidence in this gun now. In my opinion, you must learn to work with any gun to be able to use it as an effective and efficient tool. I have no basis for an opinion on Brownings. I like the Remington products that I own. Mark
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I have shot them all and I vote for the Browning Gold model. Mine is in 20 >gauge and smokes ‘em. The 11-87’s need action work and jam to beat hell in >fowl weather. The Gold model works under extreme conditions. I have shot >mine over 1200 rounds…..no jams. With my 11-87 special purpose, I get a >jam every 30-40 shots. >John, > How representative do you think your experience with the 11-87 >is? I had one for 4 years, shot an average of 2500 rounds per year at >skeet and another 300 per year in the Atchafalaya Delta, the worst >duck-hunting conditions (mud, with little cover) I’ve ever put a gun >through, and NEVER had jam. Further, this was all with reloaded ammo. >I will say that I got tired of cleaning the gun, but it worked great >for me. Also, what is your take on the potential longevity of the >Browning Gold? I have been told by 2 different Browning dealers to >"give it 5 years to get wrung out" because of Browning’s horrible >record with gas-operated automatics (the A-500G being the latest >casualty). >Larry
Several years ago, I bought a A500 but it couldn’t digest my reloads. I then bought a 11-87 and still shoot it today with a wide variety of loads. It likes them all. Ron
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1187 are odd. Some jam all day while others don’t. I ended up trading mine for a different one with larger exhaust ports in the barrel. Also the barrell was heavier. The old one jammed every day no matter how much I cleaned it. The new one works ok. Of course no light loads can be shot through it. If I were to do it again, I would throw the gun in the scrap bin. * Thinking can be hard work, which is why * * so few engage in it.. * * * * *
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>1187 are odd. Some jam all day while others don’t. I ended up trading >mine for a different one with larger exhaust ports in the barrel. >Also the barrell was heavier. The old one jammed every day no matter >how much I cleaned it. The new one works ok. Of course no light >loads can be shot through it. >If I were to do it again, I would throw the gun in the scrap bin.
I am not sure who to attribute the above comments to, so forgive me if it’s not Julie and Michael. However the 1187 in question is still not working OK. Larger gas ports serve to let in more gas so that light loads WILL function. My 1187 shot flawlessly with 7/8 ounce loads at only 1200 fps. If someone opened the gas ports, which are already fairly large on stock 1187’s, and you still can’t shoot light loads, something is wrong! Maybe the bleeder spring is not tight enough and gas is being bled off before the pressure builds high enough to work the action? If you have had problems with 2 different 1187’s I can certainly understand your wanting to "scrap it". Larry
