I plan to get into 3D with a few buddies. It will be new to us and we would like to understand the class ratings: beginner, release, finger, fixed sight, adjustable sight, unlimited, etc. I tried google to search for info but go nowhere. Is there a site that explains the classes and the rules for each category??? are there sites that give tips for beginner 3D archers ????? Do all 3D shoots follow the same rules / classes or are they up to the club or organization holding the event ???? thanks in advance for the newsgroup info

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International bowhunters organization or known as the IBO. You can look them up on the web and they have all the rules and catagories, with information.

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> Do all 3D shoots follow the same rules / classes or are they up to the

club or organization holding the event ???? Most  follow IBO, but not always. Many shoots are just simply that; shoots. There is no formal competition except with yourself. Don’t get too hung up on rules right now. Just go and have fun and you will see it is very casual. You don’t even have to keep score if you don’t want to. Advice for beginners? Have fun, don’t worry about competition until your familiar with how things work and have fun. Its a blast. Most shoots start first thing in the morning and will start shooters until early afternoon. Alot of times the course will loop back to the clubhouse area so you will get a halfway break. It’s similar to golf. If your holding up a smaller party, you may want to let them "shoot through". Similarly, you don’t want to approach the stakes of the next target if another party is shooting. Common courtesy says that you keep quiet while someone shoots. I guess glassing the target is allowed only once before your at the stakes or while at the stakes? Something silly like that. I don’t use binoculars for 3D shooting mostly because I use 3D shoots as hunting practice. I would never use binocs in the field so why use them to cheat at a 3D? Things to bring: Sun screen, bug dope, soap or furniture polish for your arrows, a water bottle is nice as is a good arrow puller. A cooler with some beverages and maybe lunch too. I only carry the water bottle and a towel on course. A holster on your belt that helps support your bow, or allows your bow to hang at your side can save your arms. Bows get real heavy when you carry them all day. Thats about it. Just go and have fun. When you register, just tell the guys its your first time, and they’ll explain everything. (takes about 30 seconds) Oh yeah, personal advice: Don’t wear camoflage to a 3D shoot….just don’t do it. You may have to look for an arrow in the woods…..its just silly to be wearing camo to a 3D shoot. You will see alot of people doing just that though. Not that its a dangerous sport, but a little common sense would be nice. Here’s a VERY handy link for finding shoots in your state: http://www.bowsite.org/bowsite/3dshoots/main.cfm IBO websight: http://www.ibo.net/ Here are the IBO’s formal rules. Each club usually has their own though or loosely follow these. http://www.ibo.net/rules/ I listed the class definitions below: I.B.O. CLASSES DEFINED Hunter Class (HC) A compound, recurve, or longbow with or without sights, may be shot with release aid, finger tab, glove or bare fingers. If a sight is used it will have no more than four (4) fixed or crosshair style pins. Circle pins allowed if all circles are the same size. Arrows must have screw in style points and a minimum of 4 inch vanes or feathers. Only one (1) single stabilizer being less than twelve (12) inches in length from the nearest point of attachment is allowed. A maximum of eighty (80) pounds of peak weight is allowed and will be shot from the yellow stake with a maximum of 35 yards. * – ** If a shooter wins twice while competing in the Hunter Class at a national or world level tournament during one IBO shoot calendar year, that shooter must advance to a higher competitive level the following IBO shoot calendar year. Once this shooter advances to the higher competitive level, he/she must remain at that level for an entire IBO shoot calendar year. Female Hunter Class (FHC) A compound, recurve, or longbow with or without sights, may be shot with release, finger tab glove, or bare fingers. If a sight is used it will have no more than four (4) fixed or crosshair style pins. Circle pins allowed if all circles are the same size. Arrows must have screw in style points and a minimum of 4 inch vanes or feathers. Only one (1) single stabilizer being less than twelve (12) inches in length from the nearest point of attachment is allowed. A maximum of sixty (60) pounds of peak weight is allowed and will be shot from the yellow stake with a maximum of 35 yards. * – ** If a shooter wins twice while competing in the Female Hunter Class (FHC) at a national or world level tournament during one IBO shoot calendar year, that shooter must advance to a higher competitive level the following IBO shoot calendar year. Once this shooter advances to the higher competitive level, he/she must remain at that level for an entire IBO shoot calendar year. Hunter Fingers (HF) A compound, recurve, or longbow with or without sights, may be shot with finger tab, glove or bare fingers. If a sight is used it will have no more than four (4) fixed or crosshair style pins. Circle pins allowed if all circles are the same size. Arrows must have screw in style points and a minimum of 4 inch vanes or feathers. Only one (1) single stabilizer being less than twelve (12) inches in length from the nearest point of attachment is allowed. A maximum of eighty (80) pounds of peak weight is allowed and will be shot from the yellow stake with a maximum of 35 yards. * – ** If a shooter wins twice while competing in the Hunter Fingers (HF) Class at a national or world level tournament during one IBO shoot calendar year, that shooter must advance to a higher competitive level the following IBO shoot calendar year. Once this shooter advances to the higher competitive level, he/she must remain at that level for an entire IBO shoot calendar year. *No lens with or without magnification may be shot in the hunter classes. **Secondary vibration dampeners may be used in the hunter classes that extend less than two (2) inches, from point of attachment. These vibration dampeners are not counter weights, and weight may not be added to one. MALE BOWHUNTER FINGERS (MBF) A compound, recurve or longbow, must be shot with a glove, finger tab or bare fingers. A fixed pin, cross hair, or moveable sight is allowable. A scope style sight, with or without lens is now allowed in the MBF class. Circle style pins are allowable (if circles are of one size). Must be shot from the orange stake. No lens with or without magnification may be used in any class designating fixed pins. MALE COMPOUND UNAIDED (MCU) A compound bow with no sighting device. A rest and plunger are all that may reside within the sight window. There will be no markings on the bow or bowstring that could be construed as sighting marks. Must be shot with a glove, finger tab or bare fingers. Must be shot from the green stake. MALE BOWHUNTER RELEASE (MBR) A compound bow, recurve or long bow with or without a sight. If a sight is used, it will have fixed pins and must be shot with some type of release aid. Cross hair style pins are allowable as fixed pin sights. Circle style pins are allowable (if circles are of one size). Sights that utilize any lens, with or without magnification are not allowed in MBR class. Sights may not be adjusted while on the range during a tournament. Must be shot from the green stake. FEMALE BOWHUNTER RELEASE (FBR) A compound bow, recurve or long bow with or without a sight. If a sight is used, it will have fixed pins and must be shot with some type of release aid. Cross hair style pins are allowable as fixed pin sights. Circle style pins are allowable (if circles are of one size). Sights that utilize any lens with or magnification are not allowed in the FBR class. Sights may not be adjusted while on the range during a tournament. Must be shot from the green stake. MALE BOWHUNTER OPEN (MBO) A compound bow, recurve or long bow with a moveable sight, scope or laser sight. Any type of release aid, glove, finger tab or bare fingers may be used. Must be shot from the orange stake. FEMALE BOWHUNTER OPEN (FBO) A compound bow, recurve or long bow with a moveable sight, scope or laser sight. Any type of release aid, glove, finger tab or bare fingers may be used. Must be shot from the green stake. FEMALE BOWHUNTER FINGERS (FBF)– DELETED These shooters may now participate in the Female Hunter Class, Female Bowhunter Release class, or Female Bowhunter Open classes. RECURVE UN-AIDED (RU) A recurve or long bow with no sighting device. A rest and plunger are all that may reside within the sight window. There will be no markings on the bow or on the bowstring that could be construed as sighting marks. There will not be any type of draw check on the bow or string. Must be shot with glove, finger tab or bare fingers. While shooting the archer shall touch the arrow with the index finger against the nock, and using a single anchor point. The arrow shall be of the same material and in uniform length and weight. A single stabilizer may be used that is no longer than 12 inches from the point of attachment. Stabilizer-Any device used for the stabilization of the bow. Must be shot from the white stake. YOUTH MALE RELEASE (YMR 13-14) – 13-14 YEARS OF AGE A compound, recurve or longbow with or without a sight. If a sight is used, it can be fixed pins, moveable sight, scope or laser type sight and must be shot with some type of release aid. Must be shot from the yellow stake. YOUTH MALE RELEASE (YMR 15-17) – 15-17 YEARS OF AGE A compound, recurve or longbow with or without a sight. If a sight is used, it can be fixed pins, moveable sight, scope or laser type sight and must be shot with some type of release aid. Must be shot from the green stake. YOUTH MALE FINGERS (YMF) – 13-17 YEARS OF AGE A compound, recurve, or longbow with or without a sight. If a sight is used, it can be fixed pins, moveable sight, and scope or laser type sight and must be shot with a glove, finger tab or bare fingers. Must be shot from the yellow stake. YOUTH FEMALE (YF) – 13-17 YEARS OF AGE A compound, recurve, or longbow with or without a sight. If a sight is used, it can be fixed pins, moveable sight, and scope or laser type sight. Any type of release aid, glove, finger tab or bare fingers may be used. Must be shot from the yellow stake. CUB – 9 – 12 YEARS OF AGE May shoot any type of … read more »

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Thanks bro I mean it….. it took you time to write that response THANKS….. one last question.. since no camo.. should I wear hunter orange…  LOL really laughing Thanks Again +++++ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Do all 3D shoots follow the same rules / classes or are they up to the > club or organization holding the event ???? > Most  follow IBO, but not always. > Many shoots are just simply that; shoots. There is no formal competition > except with yourself. Don’t get too hung up on rules right now. Just go and > have fun and you will see it is very casual. You don’t even have to keep > score if you don’t want to. > Advice for beginners? Have fun, don’t worry about competition until your > familiar with how things work and have fun. Its a blast. Most shoots start > first thing in the morning and will start shooters until early afternoon. > Alot of times the course will loop back to the clubhouse area so you will > get a halfway break. It’s similar to golf. If your holding up a smaller > party, you may want to let them "shoot through". Similarly, you don’t want > to approach the stakes of the next target if another party is shooting. > Common courtesy says that you keep quiet while someone shoots. I guess > glassing the target is allowed only once before your at the stakes or while > at the stakes? Something silly like that. I don’t use binoculars for 3D > shooting mostly because I use 3D shoots as hunting practice. I would never > use binocs in the field so why use them to cheat at a 3D? > Things to bring: Sun screen, bug dope, soap or furniture polish for your > arrows, a water bottle is nice as is a good arrow puller. A cooler with some > beverages and maybe lunch too. I only carry the water bottle and a towel on > course. A holster on your belt that helps support your bow, or allows your > bow to hang at your side can save your arms. Bows get real heavy when you > carry them all day. Thats about it. Just go and have fun. When you register, > just tell the guys its your first time, and they’ll explain everything. > (takes about 30 seconds) > Oh yeah, personal advice: Don’t wear camoflage to a 3D shoot….just don’t > do it. You may have to look for an arrow in the woods…..its just silly to > be wearing camo to a 3D shoot. You will see alot of people doing just that > though. Not that its a dangerous sport, but a little common sense would be > nice. > Here’s a VERY handy link for finding shoots in your state: > http://www.bowsite.org/bowsite/3dshoots/main.cfm > IBO websight: > http://www.ibo.net/ > Here are the IBO’s formal rules. Each club usually has their own though or > loosely follow these. > http://www.ibo.net/rules/ > I listed the class definitions below: > I.B.O. CLASSES DEFINED > Hunter Class (HC) > A compound, recurve, or longbow with or without sights, may be shot with > release aid, finger tab, glove or bare fingers. If a sight is used it will > have no more than four (4) fixed or crosshair style pins. Circle pins > allowed if all circles are the same size. Arrows must have screw in style > points and a minimum of 4 inch vanes or feathers. Only one (1) single > stabilizer being less than twelve (12) inches in length from the nearest > point of attachment is allowed. A maximum of eighty (80) pounds of peak > weight is allowed and will be shot from the yellow stake with a maximum of > 35 yards. * – ** > If a shooter wins twice while competing in the Hunter Class at a national or > world level tournament during one IBO shoot calendar year, that shooter must > advance to a higher competitive level the following IBO shoot calendar year. > Once this shooter advances to the higher competitive level, he/she must > remain at that level for an entire IBO shoot calendar year. > Female Hunter Class (FHC) > A compound, recurve, or longbow with or without sights, may be shot with > release, finger tab glove, or bare fingers. If a sight is used it will have > no more than four (4) fixed or crosshair style pins. Circle pins allowed if > all circles are the same size. Arrows must have screw in style points and a > minimum of 4 inch vanes or feathers. Only one (1) single stabilizer being > less than twelve (12) inches in length from the nearest point of attachment > is allowed. A maximum of sixty (60) pounds of peak weight is allowed and > will be shot from the yellow stake with a maximum of 35 yards. * – ** > If a shooter wins twice while competing in the Female Hunter Class (FHC) at > a national or world level tournament during one IBO shoot calendar year, > that shooter must advance to a higher competitive level the following IBO > shoot calendar year. Once this shooter advances to the higher competitive > level, he/she must remain at that level for an entire IBO shoot calendar > year. > Hunter Fingers (HF) > A compound, recurve, or longbow with or without sights, may be shot with > finger tab, glove or bare fingers. If a sight is used it will have no more > than four (4) fixed or crosshair style pins. Circle pins allowed if all > circles are the same size. Arrows must have screw in style points and a > minimum of 4 inch vanes or feathers. Only one (1) single stabilizer being > less than twelve (12) inches in length from the nearest point of attachment > is allowed. A maximum of eighty (80) pounds of peak weight is allowed and > will be shot from the yellow stake with a maximum of 35 yards. * – ** > If a shooter wins twice while competing in the Hunter Fingers (HF) Class at > a national or world level tournament during one IBO shoot calendar year, > that shooter must advance to a higher competitive level the following IBO > shoot calendar year. Once this shooter advances to the higher competitive > level, he/she must remain at that level for an entire IBO shoot calendar > year. > *No lens with or without magnification may be shot in the hunter classes. > **Secondary vibration dampeners may be used in the hunter classes that > extend less than two (2) inches, from point of attachment. These vibration > dampeners are not counter weights, and weight may not be added to one. > MALE BOWHUNTER FINGERS (MBF) > A compound, recurve or longbow, must be shot with a glove, finger tab or > bare fingers. A fixed pin, cross hair, or moveable sight is allowable. A > scope style sight, with or without lens is now allowed in the MBF class. > Circle style pins are allowable (if circles are of one size). Must be shot > from the orange stake. No lens with or without magnification may be used in > any class designating fixed pins. > MALE COMPOUND UNAIDED (MCU) > A compound bow with no sighting device. A rest and plunger are all that may > reside within the sight window. There will be no markings on the bow or > bowstring that could be construed as sighting marks. Must be shot with a > glove, finger tab or bare fingers. Must be shot from the green stake. > MALE BOWHUNTER RELEASE (MBR) > A compound bow, recurve or long bow with or without a sight. If a sight is > used, it will have fixed pins and must be shot with some type of release > aid. Cross hair style pins are allowable as fixed pin sights. Circle style > pins are allowable (if circles are of one size). Sights that utilize any > lens, with or without magnification are not allowed in MBR class. Sights may > not be adjusted while on the range during a tournament. Must be shot from > the green stake. > FEMALE BOWHUNTER RELEASE (FBR) > A compound bow, recurve or long bow with or without a sight. If a sight is > used, it will have fixed pins and must be shot with some type of release > aid. Cross hair style pins are allowable as fixed pin sights. Circle style > pins are allowable (if circles are of one size). Sights that utilize any > lens with or magnification are not allowed in the FBR class. Sights may not > be adjusted while on the range during a tournament. Must be shot from the > green stake. > MALE BOWHUNTER OPEN (MBO) > A compound bow, recurve or long bow with a moveable sight, scope or laser > sight. Any type of release aid, glove, finger tab or bare fingers may be > used. Must be shot from the orange stake. > FEMALE BOWHUNTER OPEN (FBO) > A compound bow, recurve or long bow with a moveable sight, scope or laser > sight. Any type of release aid, glove, finger tab or bare fingers may be > used. Must be shot from the green stake. > FEMALE BOWHUNTER FINGERS (FBF)– DELETED > These shooters may now participate in the Female Hunter Class, Female > Bowhunter Release class, or Female Bowhunter Open classes. > RECURVE UN-AIDED (RU) > A recurve or long bow with no sighting device. A rest and plunger are all > that may reside within the sight window. There will be no markings on the > bow or on the bowstring that could be construed as sighting marks. There > will not be any type of draw check on the bow or string. Must be shot with > glove, finger tab or bare fingers. While shooting the archer shall touch the > arrow with the index finger against the nock, and using a single anchor > point. The arrow shall be of the same material and in uniform length and > weight. A single stabilizer may be used that is no longer than 12 inches > from the point of attachment. Stabilizer-Any device used for the > stabilization of the bow. Must be shot from the white stake. > YOUTH MALE RELEASE (YMR 13-14) – 13-14 YEARS OF AGE > A compound, recurve or longbow with or without a sight. If a sight is used, > it can be fixed pins, moveable sight, scope or laser type sight and must be > shot with some type of release aid. Must be shot from the yellow stake. > YOUTH MALE RELEASE (YMR 15-17) – 15-17 YEARS OF AGE > A compound, recurve or longbow with or without a sight. If a sight is used, > it can be fixed pins, moveable sight, scope or laser type sight and must be > shot with some type of release aid. Must be shot from the green stake. > YOUTH MALE FINGERS (YMF) – 13-17 YEARS OF AGE > A compound, recurve, or longbow

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> Thanks bro > I mean it….. > it took you time to write that response > THANKS….. > one last question.. since no camo.. > should I wear hunter orange…  LOL > really laughing

No problem. (Its a little slow around lunchtime here.) Hunter orange? Now that would be worse than the camo! Ok…..how about orange camo?  :) Good luck

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>Do all 3D shoots follow the same rules / classes >or are they up to the club or organization holding the event ????

Yes, Fita rules are quite different, they are the only rules used in denmark, at the moment! Best regards Tonny Gram Denmark

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Is there a website where I can find an instruction from a high level coach (maybe the US national coach) for compound shooters? It is the question, should a compound shooter (FITA target) shoot with a bended bowarm or (like the recurve shooters) with a straight bowarm. All what I see is that the top archers (Morgan Lundin, David Cousin, etc.) are shooting with a bended arm. But our german national coach teach the straight bowarm for ccompounders and is in oposite opinion to the rest of the german coaches. — Sven

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> Is there a website where I can find an instruction from > a high level coach (maybe the US national coach) for compound > shooters? > It is the question, should a compound shooter (FITA target) shoot with > a bended bowarm or (like the recurve shooters) with a straight bowarm. > All what I see is that the top archers (Morgan Lundin, David Cousin, > etc.) are shooting with a bended arm. But our german national coach > teach the straight bowarm for ccompounders and is in oposite opinion > to the rest of the german coaches. > — > Sven

Go with what feels right for you. Tom

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>Is there a website where I can find an instruction from >a high level coach (maybe the US national coach) for compound >shooters?

Not that I know of. >All what I see is that the top archers (Morgan Lundin, David Cousin, >etc.) are shooting with a bended arm.

Take a look again – look at video of World Championships in particular. There are many top-level compound archers shooting both bent bowarm and straight bowarm. I’d say though that the majority do seem to prefer bent… it’s down to what works for you. Don’t allow any coach to bully you into using a particular style if you’ve tried it for a significant period of time and it isn’t working for you. >But our german national coach >teach the straight bowarm for ccompounders and is in oposite opinion >to the rest of the german coaches.

I personally wouldn’t rate any coach who will not accept any individual style differences… national or not.

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Sven It depends upon what you mean by "straight". If you stand upright with your arms relaxed and hanging from the shoulders they fall into a natural unstrained position. To straighten them further you have to push your hands down towards the ground. To put more bend into the elbow you hav to lift the hands away from the ground using the muscles of the upper arm. When I lift the bow, I try to reproduce the "natural" position that results from letting the arm hang. It means that the arm is extended, but not over-extended. I find that extending the arm beyond this natural position tends to cause the shoulder to rise and makes it more difficult to get back muscles into play. It also means that there is no provision for further extension and follow-through on loosing the arrow. I know a lot of good compound archers who shoot excellent scores with what I would consider to be an exaggerated bend at the elbow. I find it uncomfortable personally and really only possible because of the low holding weight that results from the let-off on the compound bow. Since I shoot both compound and recurve I seek a basic stance that will work with either and I just cannot find a consistent draw length when I try to shoot recurve with a bent elbow. Chris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Is there a website where I can find an instruction from > a high level coach (maybe the US national coach) for compound > shooters? > It is the question, should a compound shooter (FITA target) shoot with > a bended bowarm or (like the recurve shooters) with a straight bowarm. > All what I see is that the top archers (Morgan Lundin, David Cousin, > etc.) are shooting with a bended arm. But our german national coach > teach the straight bowarm for ccompounders and is in oposite opinion > to the rest of the german coaches. > — > Sven

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>Don’t allow >any coach to bully you into using a particular style if you’ve tried >it for a significant period of time and it isn’t working for you.

Thanks.  :-) — Sven

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>Is there a website where I can find an instruction from >a high level coach (maybe the US national coach) for compound >shooters? >It is the question, should a compound shooter (FITA target) shoot with >a bended bowarm or (like the recurve shooters) with a straight bowarm. >All what I see is that the top archers (Morgan Lundin, David Cousin, >etc.) are shooting with a bended arm. But our german national coach >teach the straight bowarm for ccompounders and is in oposite opinion >to the rest of the german coaches.

Hi Sven, Check this out: http://www.arco-frecce.com/cam/wbeste.htm Pics of top archers before/after release. Very nice to confront dogmatic coaches with..

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>http://www.arco-frecce.com/cam/wbeste.htm

Wow, great, thanks. — Sven

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> Is there a website where I can find an instruction from > a high level coach (maybe the US national coach) for compound > shooters? > It is the question, should a compound shooter (FITA target) shoot with > a bended bowarm or (like the recurve shooters) with a straight bowarm. > All what I see is that the top archers (Morgan Lundin, David Cousin, > etc.) are shooting with a bended arm. But our german national coach > teach the straight bowarm for ccompounders and is in oposite opinion > to the rest of the german coaches.

IMHO and still learning, if your basic techneque is solid you should go with what feels right for you. John

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Thought I would tap the collective wisdom here… I have a Bear Epic Xtreme.  Shooting carbons.  She groups fine…but when I draw, the sights are about 1/2 inch to the left of the arrow (rest/nock combo).  Using a Fletchunter release and a string loop. Is this normal?  I would have thought that the arrow should be more or less in line with the sight pins. Could I be screwing something up with my grip, given that it shoots quite accurately like this? Or might something else be the cause? Andrzej Jan Taramina Chaeron Consulting Corp Enterprise System Solutions http://www.chaeron.com NOTE: Remove Spamicide(tm) before replying!!!

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Here, this was just posted recently, and there is a page on this link that deals with bow sights – it’s more than you want to know, but the answer to yore question is likely in there, concernin’ parallax.  A recent thread stimulated some of what brain cells I have remaining on the topic of bow sights so I have now put a page up providing what Ron would term "everything you never wanted to know about bow sights". Hope you find it useful. See http://homepage.ntlworld.com/joetapley – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Thought I would tap the collective wisdom here… > I have a Bear Epic Xtreme.  Shooting carbons.  She groups fine…but > when I draw, the sights are about 1/2 inch to the left of the arrow > (rest/nock combo).  Using a Fletchunter release and a string loop. > Is this normal?  I would have thought that the arrow should be more or > less in line with the sight pins. > Could I be screwing something up with my grip, given that it shoots > quite accurately like this? > Or might something else be the cause? > Andrzej Jan Taramina > Chaeron Consulting Corp > Enterprise System Solutions > http://www.chaeron.com > NOTE: Remove Spamicide(tm) before replying!!!

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Sh*t. Forgot to cover this topic – have now added something about it. With a recurve having the sight pin outside the arrow is common – usually happens because of how the archer anchors combined with head aligment. Having the pin inside the arrow usually results from bad tuning or a twisted riser/limbs. How you can get this happening with a compound bow (presumably using a peep sight) I will leave to the compound gurus. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thought I would tap the collective wisdom here… > I have a Bear Epic Xtreme.  Shooting carbons.  She groups fine…but > when I draw, the sights are about 1/2 inch to the left of the arrow > (rest/nock combo).  Using a Fletchunter release and a string loop. > Is this normal?  I would have thought that the arrow should be more or > less in line with the sight pins. > Could I be screwing something up with my grip, given that it shoots > quite accurately like this? > Or might something else be the cause? > Andrzej Jan Taramina > Chaeron Consulting Corp > Enterprise System Solutions > http://www.chaeron.com > NOTE: Remove Spamicide(tm) before replying!!!

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Most often this is caused from an improperly spined arrow. It can also arise from not holding a tight anchor and drifting the string away from the face. Jane

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sh*t. Forgot to cover this topic – have now added something about it. > With a recurve having the sight pin outside the arrow is common – usually > happens because of how the archer anchors combined with head aligment. > Having the pin inside the arrow usually results from bad tuning or a twisted > riser/limbs. > How you can get this happening with a compound bow (presumably using a peep > sight) I will leave to the compound gurus. > Thought I would tap the collective wisdom here… > I have a Bear Epic Xtreme.  Shooting carbons.  She groups fine…but > when I draw, the sights are about 1/2 inch to the left of the arrow > (rest/nock combo).  Using a Fletchunter release and a string loop. > Is this normal?  I would have thought that the arrow should be more or > less in line with the sight pins. > Could I be screwing something up with my grip, given that it shoots > quite accurately like this? > Or might something else be the cause? > Andrzej Jan Taramina > Chaeron Consulting Corp > Enterprise System Solutions > http://www.chaeron.com > NOTE: Remove Spamicide(tm) before replying!!!

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> Most often this is caused from an improperly spined arrow. It can also arise > from not holding a tight anchor and drifting the string away from the face.

Arrow spine is matched fine to the bow.  Anchor is tight and the string is tight to the cheek so I don’t think that is the problem (it may not be a problem…some web searches have come up with some tips that suggest that this is not abnormal for many compound bows, having the sights off to one side a bit). I had the serving starting to unravel to dropped by the local pro shop (no time to fix it myself before heading out for a bear/deer/moose hunt tomorrow).  Had them check the centershot adjustment, since it looked out (just eyeballing it).  Turns out the centershot was WAY out….we’ll see if that lines things up a bit better once I re-sight in tomorrow. Also, the Bear Epic Xtreme bow has an offset cam and split limbs, which could also account for the need to have the sight pins off to the left of the line of the arrow. In any case, the bow was grouping pretty well (when I did my part)…with the fixed centershot adjustment it should even be better, regardless of how the sight pins line up to the arrow, so I don’t think I’m going to worry about it any more. If it shoots where it’s supposed to, there is obviously not a problem! Andrzej Jan Taramina Chaeron Consulting Corp Enterprise System Solutions http://www.chaeron.com NOTE: Remove Spamicide(tm) before replying!!!

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I’ve got a brand new, straight out of the box, Hoyt Vortec compound bow that I’m looking to sell.  Any advice on good places to do it?  Are there any regional or national newspapers or magzines that have classifieds for this sort of thing? Or should I just put it up on Ebay? Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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> I’ve got a brand new, straight out of the box, Hoyt Vortec compound bow > that I’m looking to sell.  Any advice on good places to do it?  Are there > any regional or national newspapers or magzines that have classifieds for > this sort of thing? > Or should I just put it up on Ebay?

I’ll give you $50 bucks for it. a. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Why are you selling it? Everyone will be wondering this. Around here bows are like cars after you leave the store with it the value Drops! NRA Life Member Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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What are you looking to get out of it? john – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– Newsgroups: rec.hunting Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 10:09 AM I’ve got a brand new, straight out of the box, Hoyt Vortec compound bow that I’m looking to sell.  Any advice on good places to do it?  Are there any regional or national newspapers or magzines that have classifieds for this sort of thing? Or should I just put it up on Ebay? Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Hi folks, I am looking for some brackets or clamps that I can mount my compound bow on my mountain bike. Who sells them and what should I look out for? Could you please e-mail me directly, as I do not always check the newsgroups. Thank you. Thomas Haslinger Custom Knives http://www.haslinger-knives.com Calgary, Alberta Canada

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>Hi folks, >I am looking for some brackets or clamps that I can mount my compound >bow on my mountain bike. Who sells them and what should I look out for? >Could you please e-mail me directly, as I do not always check the >newsgroups.

Check with a shop that sells those 4 wheel motorcycles, I forget what they are called.  They sell brackets to carry both guns and bows.  They can be fit on a MTB. Alex     __O        _-<,_       (_)/ (_)

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I cannot help but think that fastening an expensive compound bow, with all of it’s many adjustable parts that are in theory tuned up, to a mountain bike and then beating hell out of it, is something akin to tying the dog’s leash to the baby stroller or bicycle handlebars.    Take a header, or have the dog see a squirrel and give chase, and something totally unforseen (and bad) is likely to ensue. Sounds a little like a candidate for the Darwin awards, if you start to think about trucking down the mountain with a quiver full of broadheads and a bow strapped on<G>…like….oops, hit a rock and took a header over the handlbars….pincushion city…..at the very least that bow isn’t going to shoot so good, and at the worst, well, that archer won’t be shooting so good anymore…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hi folks, >I am looking for some brackets or clamps that I can mount my compound >bow on my mountain bike. Who sells them and what should I look out for? >Could you please e-mail me directly, as I do not always check the >newsgroups. > Check with a shop that sells those 4 wheel motorcycles, I forget what > they are called.  They sell brackets to carry both guns and bows.  They > can be fit on a MTB. > Alex     __O >        _-<,_ >       (_)/ (_)

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Anyone see that Hyundia advert, the one which goes on about if things were as strong as a hynudia etc.. I find the bit where the guy shoots a carbon arrow from a compound bow, into a watermelon hanging from a tree, and it is the *arrow* which shatters! Wonder how the did that? — brian "I am the Prince of Insufficient Light"

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>Anyone see that Hyundia advert, the one which goes on about if things were >as strong as a hynudia etc.. >I find the bit where the guy shoots a carbon arrow from a compound bow, >into a watermelon hanging from a tree, and it is the *arrow* which >shatters! >Wonder how the did that?

Probably some really expenisve computer graphics.  Some of the newest stuff I have seen looks really, really, good.  Just about impossible to tell apart from the real thing.   — Alex     __O        _-<,_       (_)/ (_)

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There’s always the wildest possibility that they didn’t use a bona fide watermelon. It could in fact have been one made of titanium or something equally as damaging to carbon and just made to look like a melon. Having said all of that I haven’t even seen the advert yet. Slidahl

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Anyone see that Hyundia advert, the one which goes on about if things were >as strong as a hynudia etc.. >I find the bit where the guy shoots a carbon arrow from a compound bow, >into a watermelon hanging from a tree, and it is the *arrow* which >shatters! >Wonder how the did that? > Probably some really expenisve computer graphics.  Some of the newest stuff I > have seen looks really, really, good.  Just about impossible to tell apart from > the real thing. > — > Alex     __O >        _-<,_ >       (_)/ (_)

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>There’s always the wildest possibility that they didn’t use a bona fide >watermelon. It could in fact have been one made of titanium or something >equally as damaging to carbon and just made to look like a melon. >Having said all of that I haven’t even seen the advert yet.

That would be the most likely explanation..  Dread to think how they could model a shaterring arrow *so* realisticly, and model the "watermelon" swaying with the impact too! Still, a pretty cool ad though!  Its shown in the UK at the mo. — brian "I am the Prince of Insufficient Light"

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>Probably some really expenisve computer graphics.  Some of the newest >stuff I have seen looks really, really, good.  Just about impossible to >tell apart from the real thing.  

Hmmm. possible.  Or fake watermelon combined with cheap and nasty carbon arrow? — brian "I am the Prince of Insufficient Light"

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maybe the melon was frozen…? just speculation on my part as I haven’t seen the ad — Juho Paaso Yet Another diabolical scheme to overthrow the world: http://www.dlc.fi/~jmpaaso

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The arrow was shot against a blue screen into a block.  That image was then combined with that of a hanging watermelon.  At least this seems to be the easiest way.  Modelling an arrow shattering in a rendering program can certainly be done, but it would be a far more tedious, and expensive process.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Anyone see that Hyundia advert, the one which goes on about if things were > as strong as a hynudia etc.. > I find the bit where the guy shoots a carbon arrow from a compound bow, > into a watermelon hanging from a tree, and it is the *arrow* which > shatters! > Wonder how the did that? > — > brian > "I am the Prince of Insufficient Light"

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Haven’t seen the ad, but doing computer graphics myself, i can tell that shattering arrow and swaying watermelons are faaaaar from impossible .. You’d be surprised how much CG is used nowadays. You’d probably think ‘nice studio lightning on that shot’ about some ad and go on without ever even thinking that it was perhaps a CG shot. CG is good when noone springs up and says ‘that’s a COOL computer shot!’ but thinks it was real and ordinary. -Ilari – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->There’s always the wildest possibility that they didn’t use a bona fide >watermelon. It could in fact have been one made of titanium or something >equally as damaging to carbon and just made to look like a melon. >Having said all of that I haven’t even seen the advert yet. > That would be the most likely explanation..  Dread to think how they could > model a shaterring arrow *so* realisticly, and model the "watermelon" > swaying with the impact too! > Still, a pretty cool ad though!  Its shown in the UK at the mo. > — > brian > "I am the Prince of Insufficient Light"

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>Haven’t seen the ad, but doing computer graphics myself, i can tell that >shattering arrow and swaying watermelons are faaaaar from impossible >.. You’d be surprised how much CG is used nowadays. You’d probably think >’nice studio lightning on that shot’ about some ad and go on without >ever even thinking that it was perhaps a CG shot. CG is good when noone >springs up and says ‘that’s a COOL computer shot!’ but thinks it was >real and ordinary. >-Ilari

From someone who is Rendered as a hobby I would have to agree.  Still quite a cool ad though. — brian "I am the Prince of Insufficient Light"

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>The arrow was shot against a blue screen into a block.  That image was >then combined with that of a hanging watermelon.  At least this seems to >be the easiest way.  Modelling an arrow shattering in a rendering >program can certainly be done, but it would be a far more tedious, and >expensive process.

I must say I hadn’t thought of that! — brian "I am the Prince of Insufficient Light"

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>The arrow was shot against a blue screen into a block.  That image was then >combined with that of a hanging watermelon.  At least this seems to be the >easiest way.  Modelling an arrow shattering in a rendering program can >certainly be done, but it would be a far more tedious, and expensive >process.

Hrmm if block shatters them I’d better run outside and remove the three field points that are burried in mine before my wall shatters

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How I learned this.  I bought a beer making kit at Boot’s (British Isles pharmacy / general store) and says makes 24 pints.  I add all the ingrediants and couple of weeks later go to bottle the beer.  I have enough 12 oz bottles to hold everything and when I run out of bottles still have a bunch of beer.  Had to go round up more bottles. Bill

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> And a pint of Guinness has a greater volume than a pint of Corona. > Imperial > Gallon is 25% bigger than a US gallon.  <snip> > Well I want the Guinness then, I prefer more for my money! > — > ~~~~ > The RodMaker > (a.k.a) The Shadow……hehehe! > And a pint of Guinness has a greater volume than a pint of Corona. > Imperial > Gallon is 25% biger than a US gallon.  And the standard is figure 6 lbs > per > US gallon for gas.  What airplanes use for flight calculations. > Bill > > >Approx 5.912 lbs/gal, it has a differnt specific gravity(.739) than > > >water does. Which  by the way weighs   8 lbs/gal, I gal = 128 oz > > >*1lb/16oz= 8lbs. > > Let me weigh in on this for a second.  It’s easy to confuse fluid ounces > which > > measure VOLUME (16 to a PINT) with the ounces that measure WEIGHT (16 to > a > > POUND).  There’s an old saying, "A pint’s a pound, the world around." > And > that > > saying is close to being true if you’re weighing water or Guinness, both > of > > which come in at around eight and a half pounds to the gallon.  In fact > a > pint > > (16 fluid ounces) weighs just about 17 weight ounces.   A pint of > gasoline > and > > a pint of mercury both have the same volume (16 fluid ounces) but no > where > near > > the same weight. > > Confusing, eh? > > Rob Storm

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This is F4B, we’re talkin about !o:) — ~~~~ The RodMaker (a.k.a) The Shadow……hehehe!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Guessing, I would say about 25 pounds mental weight! > — >    Go Fishing.  And may your fish be as big as your tales. >    Columbia, SC  Lake Murray > So if I’m 190 lb’s, then drank a six pack of Guinness, how much would I > weigh after my first trip to the bathroom? > — > "Drink apple juice, OJ kills!" > > And a pint of Guinness has a greater volume than a pint of Corona. > Imperial > > Gallon is 25% biger than a US gallon.  And the standard is figure 6 lbs > per > > US gallon for gas.  What airplanes use for flight calculations. > > Bill > > > >Approx 5.912 lbs/gal, it has a differnt specific gravity(.739) than > > > >water does. Which  by the way weighs   8 lbs/gal, I gal = 128 oz > > > >*1lb/16oz= 8lbs. > > > Let me weigh in on this for a second.  It’s easy to confuse fluid > ounces > > which > > > measure VOLUME (16 to a PINT) with the ounces that measure WEIGHT (16 > to > a > > > POUND).  There’s an old saying, "A pint’s a pound, the world around." > And > > that > > > saying is close to being true if you’re weighing water or Guinness, > both > > of > > > which come in at around eight and a half pounds to the gallon.  In > fact > a > > pint > > > (16 fluid ounces) weighs just about 17 weight ounces.   A pint of > gasoline > > and > > > a pint of mercury both have the same volume (16 fluid ounces) but no > where > > near > > > the same weight. > > > Confusing, eh? > > > Rob Storm

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Well, I got part of it right anyway! — ~~~~ The RodMaker (a.k.a) The Shadow……hehehe!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Actually water weighs a little more than that. Water weighs 1000 kg/m3 > crap in it. If you multiply that by 2.204 lb/1kg and 1m3/264.17 gal to > convert the units and we would yield  8.43lb/gal. Multiply that by an > average specific gravity of .739 for automobile gas and we would yield > 6.23 lbs/gal of gas. > Doug >> Except that gas is lighter than water, And water only >> weighs something like 7.3-7.8 lbs per gallon. >> — >> ~~~~ >> The RodMaker >> (a.k.a) The Shadow……hehehe!

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> And a pint of Guinness has a greater volume than a pint of Corona. Imperial > Gallon is 25% bigger than a US gallon.  <snip>

Well I want the Guinness then, I prefer more for my money! — ~~~~ The RodMaker (a.k.a) The Shadow……hehehe!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> And a pint of Guinness has a greater volume than a pint of Corona. Imperial > Gallon is 25% biger than a US gallon.  And the standard is figure 6 lbs per > US gallon for gas.  What airplanes use for flight calculations. > Bill > >Approx 5.912 lbs/gal, it has a differnt specific gravity(.739) than > >water does. Which  by the way weighs   8 lbs/gal, I gal = 128 oz > >*1lb/16oz= 8lbs. > Let me weigh in on this for a second.  It’s easy to confuse fluid ounces > which > measure VOLUME (16 to a PINT) with the ounces that measure WEIGHT (16 to a > POUND).  There’s an old saying, "A pint’s a pound, the world around." And > that > saying is close to being true if you’re weighing water or Guinness, both > of > which come in at around eight and a half pounds to the gallon.  In fact a > pint > (16 fluid ounces) weighs just about 17 weight ounces.   A pint of gasoline > and > a pint of mercury both have the same volume (16 fluid ounces) but no where > near > the same weight. > Confusing, eh? > Rob Storm

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Does that have anything to do with pacific gravity?  LOL! —    Go Fishing.  And may your fish be as big as your tales.    Columbia, SC  Lake Murray

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Doug, will you please quit being so darn general and vague? Accuracy is > important, so please be pacific. > — > ~Bob Rickard > Remember that a lemon is a grapefruit that wouldn’t take a chance! > Actually water weighs a little more than that. Water weighs 1000 kg/m3 > crap in it. If you multiply that by 2.204 lb/1kg and 1m3/264.17 gal to > convert the units and we would yield  8.43lb/gal. Multiply that by an > average specific gravity of .739 for automobile gas and we would yield > 6.23 lbs/gal of gas. > Doug > >> Except that gas is lighter than water, And water only > >> weighs something like 7.3-7.8 lbs per gallon. > >> — > >> ~~~~ > >> The RodMaker > >> (a.k.a) The Shadow……hehehe!

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Guessing, I would say about 25 pounds mental weight! —    Go Fishing.  And may your fish be as big as your tales.    Columbia, SC  Lake Murray

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> So if I’m 190 lb’s, then drank a six pack of Guinness, how much would I > weigh after my first trip to the bathroom? > — > "Drink apple juice, OJ kills!" > And a pint of Guinness has a greater volume than a pint of Corona. > Imperial > Gallon is 25% biger than a US gallon.  And the standard is figure 6 lbs > per > US gallon for gas.  What airplanes use for flight calculations. > Bill > > >Approx 5.912 lbs/gal, it has a differnt specific gravity(.739) than > > >water does. Which  by the way weighs   8 lbs/gal, I gal = 128 oz > > >*1lb/16oz= 8lbs. > > Let me weigh in on this for a second.  It’s easy to confuse fluid ounces > which > > measure VOLUME (16 to a PINT) with the ounces that measure WEIGHT (16 to > a > > POUND).  There’s an old saying, "A pint’s a pound, the world around." > And > that > > saying is close to being true if you’re weighing water or Guinness, both > of > > which come in at around eight and a half pounds to the gallon.  In fact > a > pint > > (16 fluid ounces) weighs just about 17 weight ounces.   A pint of > gasoline > and > > a pint of mercury both have the same volume (16 fluid ounces) but no > where > near > > the same weight. > > Confusing, eh? > > Rob Storm

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And a pint of Guinness has a greater volume than a pint of Corona.  Imperial Gallon is 25% biger than a US gallon.  And the standard is figure 6 lbs per US gallon for gas.  What airplanes use for flight calculations. Bill

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Approx 5.912 lbs/gal, it has a differnt specific gravity(.739) than >water does. Which  by the way weighs   8 lbs/gal, I gal = 128 oz >*1lb/16oz= 8lbs. > Let me weigh in on this for a second.  It’s easy to confuse fluid ounces which > measure VOLUME (16 to a PINT) with the ounces that measure WEIGHT (16 to a > POUND).  There’s an old saying, "A pint’s a pound, the world around." And that > saying is close to being true if you’re weighing water or Guinness, both of > which come in at around eight and a half pounds to the gallon.  In fact a pint > (16 fluid ounces) weighs just about 17 weight ounces.   A pint of gasoline and > a pint of mercury both have the same volume (16 fluid ounces) but no where near > the same weight. > Confusing, eh? > Rob Storm

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So if I’m 190 lb’s, then drank a six pack of Guinness, how much would I weigh after my first trip to the bathroom? — "Drink apple juice, OJ kills!"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> And a pint of Guinness has a greater volume than a pint of Corona. Imperial > Gallon is 25% biger than a US gallon.  And the standard is figure 6 lbs per > US gallon for gas.  What airplanes use for flight calculations. > Bill > >Approx 5.912 lbs/gal, it has a differnt specific gravity(.739) than > >water does. Which  by the way weighs   8 lbs/gal, I gal = 128 oz > >*1lb/16oz= 8lbs. > Let me weigh in on this for a second.  It’s easy to confuse fluid ounces > which > measure VOLUME (16 to a PINT) with the ounces that measure WEIGHT (16 to a > POUND).  There’s an old saying, "A pint’s a pound, the world around." And > that > saying is close to being true if you’re weighing water or Guinness, both > of > which come in at around eight and a half pounds to the gallon.  In fact a > pint > (16 fluid ounces) weighs just about 17 weight ounces.   A pint of gasoline > and > a pint of mercury both have the same volume (16 fluid ounces) but no where > near > the same weight. > Confusing, eh? > Rob Storm

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1 Thanks so much for the answer 2 you guys are much smarter than Warren n Moe told me 3 I owe you … but i’m not sure what. 4 I feel… well… edified. 5 I can write novels but never could do math lol lol. lol. josh

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> does a gallon of gas weigh? And Don’t get smart with the leaded or unleaded > stuff.. I know you guys… lol … > but seriously.. I want to know how much weight my 35 gallons is. I think i > heard someplace once that a gallon of water weighs 10 lbs. but that seems > too much to me. Thanks guys.        Josh.

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>Approx 5.912 lbs/gal, it has a differnt specific gravity(.739) than >water does. Which  by the way weighs   8 lbs/gal, I gal = 128 oz >*1lb/16oz= 8lbs.

Let me weigh in on this for a second.  It’s easy to confuse fluid ounces which measure VOLUME (16 to a PINT) with the ounces that measure WEIGHT (16 to a POUND).  There’s an old saying, "A pint’s a pound, the world around." And that saying is close to being true if you’re weighing water or Guinness, both of which come in at around eight and a half pounds to the gallon.  In fact a pint (16 fluid ounces) weighs just about 17 weight ounces.   A pint of gasoline and a pint of mercury both have the same volume (16 fluid ounces) but no where near the same weight.   Confusing, eh? Rob Storm

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Actually water weighs a little more than that. Water weighs 1000 kg/m3 crap in it. If you multiply that by 2.204 lb/1kg and 1m3/264.17 gal to convert the units and we would yield  8.43lb/gal. Multiply that by an average specific gravity of .739 for automobile gas and we would yield 6.23 lbs/gal of gas. Doug – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Except that gas is lighter than water, And water only > weighs something like 7.3-7.8 lbs per gallon. > — > ~~~~ > The RodMaker > (a.k.a) The Shadow……hehehe!

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Doug, will you please quit being so darn general and vague? Accuracy is important, so please be pacific. — ~Bob Rickard Remember that a lemon is a grapefruit that wouldn’t take a chance!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Actually water weighs a little more than that. Water weighs 1000 kg/m3 > crap in it. If you multiply that by 2.204 lb/1kg and 1m3/264.17 gal to > convert the units and we would yield  8.43lb/gal. Multiply that by an > average specific gravity of .739 for automobile gas and we would yield > 6.23 lbs/gal of gas. > Doug >> Except that gas is lighter than water, And water only >> weighs something like 7.3-7.8 lbs per gallon. >> — >> ~~~~ >> The RodMaker >> (a.k.a) The Shadow……hehehe!

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does a gallon of gas weigh? And Don’t get smart with the leaded or unleaded stuff.. I know you guys… lol … but seriously.. I want to know how much weight my 35 gallons is. I think i heard someplace once that a gallon of water weighs 10 lbs. but that seems too much to me. Thanks guys.        Josh.

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Hmmm. 16 oz. in a pint. 16 oz. equal 1 lb. 8 pints in a gallon equal 128 oz. 280 lb’s. Ta Da. No applause necessary. — "Drink apple juice, OJ kills!"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> does a gallon of gas weigh? And Don’t get smart with the leaded or unleaded > stuff.. I know you guys… lol … > but seriously.. I want to know how much weight my 35 gallons is. I think i > heard someplace once that a gallon of water weighs 10 lbs. but that seems > too much to me. Thanks guys.        Josh.

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Approx 5.912 lbs/gal, it has a differnt specific gravity(.739) than water does. Which  by the way weighs   8 lbs/gal, I gal = 128 oz *1lb/16oz= 8lbs. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->does a gallon of gas weigh? And Don’t get smart with the leaded or unleaded >stuff.. I know you guys… lol … >but seriously.. I want to know how much weight my 35 gallons is. I think i >heard someplace once that a gallon of water weighs 10 lbs. but that seems >too much to me. Thanks guys.        Josh.

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Except that gas is lighter than water, And water only weighs something like 7.3-7.8 lbs per gallon. — ~~~~ The RodMaker (a.k.a) The Shadow……hehehe!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hmmm. 16 oz. in a pint. 16 oz. equal 1 lb. 8 pints in a gallon equal 128 oz. > 280 lb’s. > Ta Da. No applause necessary. > — > "Drink apple juice, OJ kills!" > does a gallon of gas weigh? And Don’t get smart with the leaded or > unleaded > stuff.. I know you guys… lol … > but seriously.. I want to know how much weight my 35 gallons is. I think i > heard someplace once that a gallon of water weighs 10 lbs. but that seems > too much to me. Thanks guys.        Josh.

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— "Drink apple juice, OJ kills!"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Except that gas is lighter than water, And water only > weighs something like 7.3-7.8 lbs per gallon. > — > ~~~~ > The RodMaker > (a.k.a) The Shadow……hehehe! > Hmmm. 16 oz. in a pint. 16 oz. equal 1 lb. 8 pints in a gallon equal 128 > oz. > 280 lb’s. > Ta Da. No applause necessary. > — > "Drink apple juice, OJ kills!" > > does a gallon of gas weigh? And Don’t get smart with the leaded or > unleaded > > stuff.. I know you guys… lol … > > but seriously.. I want to know how much weight my 35 gallons is. I think > i > > heard someplace once that a gallon of water weighs 10 lbs. but that > seems > > too much to me. Thanks guys.        Josh.

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how many pounds of draw weight would you recommend to shoot deer? I am 14 years old and have killed two with one shot each from my 30# bow.

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Jordan,    Depending upon the state you live in, shooting a 30# bow for deer may be illegal,  get with your states fish and game and check the regulations

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Well if you got two dear with one shot each already your doing something right.. (Congratulations!) I’ve heard the Mininum poundage to Hunt with a compound bow is 40 pounds. It may be different for different parts of the country but it should be the same… (It should be in the synopsis each year.)

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Does anybody know of a good youth compound bow, say 20-45lb or so for under $100?

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Look at the Oneida/Seneca job. It looks like their new Discovery, but they have been making it for a couple of years. Also, look for a used Tomcat EXP. One bow and different sets of cables take the A man that straddles the fence, gets a sore crotch

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Which is best for Hunting ?

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        In short…the one you can shoot more accurately with.         Both have their strenghs and weaknesses.  I think that the biggest selling point about compounds is that they help less skilled folks make better, more accurate shots.  They certainly do produce a MUCH flatter trijectory, and, less wobbling of the shaft in mid air, because of the different accelerations produced.         However, if the compound bow is a LOT heavier for you than the recurve, then, you will really not gain, as you will be working harder to keep the bow up and steady.         Overall, the only way to get to a point that you can bag that buck is to spend a LOT of time out on the range, shooting arrows at targets under a variety of different conditions.  Enough work will get you to a point that you can instinctively and accurately compensate for any difficulties impeding the shot.         Regards         Dave Mundt >Which is best for Hunting ?

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To each his own.  If you can kill with it, then it’s good enough. I prefer a self flatbow made by yours truly.  I also prefer getting as close as possible, and not taking shots over 15 – 20 yards.  For me this is far more exciting than a 35-40 yard shot with a compound (the same as a compound shooter may tell you as compared with their gun experience at 100 yards). I fins stickbows faster to maneuver, lighter, quieter, less complex (no gadgets to keep tuned or to lose), and generally more suited to my style.  I can also abuse the hell out of it withou fear of breaking, judge the depth of streams, and  use it as a walking stick when I go atop a fallen tree. They seem to require more practice (which I enjoy) than a bow with training wheels ;o)  Having hand made a bow that is pretty much the same as those used thousands of years ago, and that I made definitely adds to the experience.  They suit me better, but this isn’t for everyone.

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Im going on my first javelina hunt.  Any advice on tactics, etc… Before you buy. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Horse Thief: Only these but they probably aren’t helpful: 1.    Get a decent compound bow – lose the longbow – compounds are easier, much easier, on the arms; 2.    Use heavy hunting tips (or as heavy as your bow will take – I’m a fan of Thunderhead 125s) and good shafts; 3.    Equip the bow with a string peep sight and a light gathering front sight – get a good one (they are great in weird light conditions) with a good,  wide field.  I like double nocks and a cheap, easy to replace rest; 4.    Acquire and learn to use a device other than fingers for pulling the string – don’t settle for the first one you see, look for and find one you like and don’t do it on the cheap; 5.    Practice every day with, say, six shots into a background very similar to the background colors you’ll be shooting in.  Six shots will get you consistent and won’t wreck your arms (make sure your field tips are of the same weight as your hunting tips);  pick a comfortable shooting distance and get good within it – remember trajectory; 6.    Crank the bow up to the highest power you can stand – remember you might have to hold the position for a period of time before you shoot; 7.    Try to keep both eyes open when you shoot (I’ll probably get called to task for this); 8.    Think wind; think quiet; remember to move slowly and without jerky movements; be very alert; trust your ears, nose and eyes.  Draw back every so often to make sure you’ll have no surprises – remember the bow and arrow are clumsy in their geometry in the woods (if there is somthing to catch on or hit they will). Think safety.  Hunting tips will carve you up if you are not careful. Mike Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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here’s a really stupid question, but i’m a florida boy and i’ve never seen one… what exactly is a javelina?   it just looks like a small hog to me… Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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A javelina resembles, but is not actually a hog at all. What is actually is is a "Collared Peckary," a member of the rat family (no kiddin). The name comes the faint white collar around the neck. I’ve taken 4 or 5 in my time….they stink like all hell (scent glands between the shoulders) due to a scent they release when frightened or in a standoff with another animal.  They aren’t worth a darn to eat (yeah, unless you spend 1,000 hours BBQ’n em and doin this and that..worthless trouble), but they do make a nice mount. Very ferocious lookin things. They can get up to 55 or so pounds tops I’d say. They differ from pigs in that they have no tail, shorter legs, and are usually a shade of grey or black, while hogs get much bigger and can be all sorts of colors, even patchy and spotted. Good luck and good hunting! Tripp Holmgrain Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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