Drove past the local BMW dealership this Saturday.  Some bright boy put out German flags next to American flags.  The dealership was empty which is rare. Thank Gerhard Schroder & his henchman Joscka Fischer for there "protect Saddam" strategy.  Americans were cutting Germany some slack but pretty soon the Gold, Black and Red Flag is going to start looking like the WW2 nazi swastika flag. The left is demonizing SUVs and the car manufacturers are worried. German cars are next.

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What is your point.  No free search or freedom of expression? Even if you believe Colin Powell or not, President Bush is still a cowboy wanting a fight.

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> What is your point.  No free search or freedom of expression? > Even if you believe Colin Powell or not, President Bush is still a cowboy > wanting a fight.

Since you can not see beyond your hate for Bush how would you characterize Saddam? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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> What is your point.  No free search or freedom of expression? > Even if you believe Colin Powell or not, President Bush is still a cowboy > wanting a fight.

It is much easier for the liberals to try to reduce world events down to something their less than educated constituancy can actually understand. They do not explain that most of the industrialized countries believe Saddam is a threat and that the UN Security Council voted unanimously for resolution 1441 that Saadm must cooperate and disarm. Instead, it is soundbites for the ignorant such as "wants to get even for much easier to spoon feed the masses something on a personal level since they do not understand world politics…..or history…… The Frog

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Bush just needs some proof that there are chemical weapons or WMD in Iraq. Prior to such findings, Bush’s attention should be on giving the world evidence.  Then of course there will be full support. Canada will NOT support war in Iraq without UN approval.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> What is your point.  No free search or freedom of expression? > Even if you believe Colin Powell or not, President Bush is still a cowboy > wanting a fight. > Since you can not see beyond your hate for Bush how would you characterize > Saddam?

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I agree with my Canadian brothers.

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Yeah–empty because nobody has money in this shitty-Bush economy!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Drove past the local BMW dealership this Saturday.  Some bright boy > put out German flags next to American flags.  The dealership was empty > which is rare. > Thank Gerhard Schroder & his henchman Joscka Fischer for there > "protect Saddam" strategy.  Americans were cutting Germany some slack > but pretty soon the Gold, Black and Red Flag is going to start looking > like the WW2 nazi swastika flag. > The left is demonizing SUVs and the car manufacturers are worried. > German cars are next.

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> Drove past the local BMW dealership this Saturday.  Some bright boy > put out German flags next to American flags.  The dealership was empty > which is rare. > Thank Gerhard Schroder & his henchman Joscka Fischer for there > "protect Saddam" strategy.  Americans were cutting Germany some slack > but pretty soon the Gold, Black and Red Flag is going to start looking > like the WW2 nazi swastika flag. > The left is demonizing SUVs and the car manufacturers are worried. > German cars are next.

Good.  Maybe the prices will go down and I can finally afford the 540i I want.  Other than that I doubt you drove by a BMW dealship since they don’t locate in Mulletvilles.

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> What is your point.  No free search or freedom of expression? > Even if you believe Colin Powell or not, President Bush is still a cowboy > wanting a fight. > It is much easier for the liberals to try to reduce world events down to > something their less than educated constituancy can actually understand.

"The Liberals"?  Your hatred is showing too.  How about you take a swag at defining that term…? > They do not explain that most of the industrialized countries believe Saddam > is a threat and that the UN Security Council voted unanimously for > resolution 1441 that Saadm must cooperate and disarm.

No one disputes this.  It’s the means of accomplishing it that there is a disagreement on.  Warhawks keep insisting that Saddam is an immediate threat that must be attacked with overwhelming force at once – without a coalition of allies, whereas cooler heads think that as long as the inspection process is going on, Saddam is effectively contained.  Our resources might be better directed towards finding and dealing with Al Qaeda, and calming regional fears rather than inflaming them. > Instead, it is soundbites for the ignorant such as "wants to get even for > much easier to spoon feed the masses something on a personal level since > they do not understand world politics…..or history……

Soundbites for the ignorant are a tactic that all politicians use, the right-wing included. All that being said, I’d bet you a thick roll of Euros that you don’t own a German vehicle, and are just trolling with your comments.

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Bush is an idiot…can’t even find Iraq on the map let alone project any foreign policy..

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> What is your point.  No free search or freedom of expression? > Even if you believe Colin Powell or not, President Bush is still a cowboy > wanting a fight. > Since you can not see beyond your hate for Bush how would you characterize > Saddam?

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guess bush’s next move will be to send in chemical weapons to Iraq and say that Saddam put them there….yep the cowboy is a puke no doubt about it. He needs this war for his daddy and will get one way or another……

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Bush just needs some proof that there are chemical weapons or WMD in Iraq. > Prior to such findings, Bush’s attention should be on giving the world > evidence.  Then of course there will be full support. > Canada will NOT support war in Iraq without UN approval. > > What is your point.  No free search or freedom of expression? > > Even if you believe Colin Powell or not, President Bush is still a > cowboy > > wanting a fight. > Since you can not see beyond your hate for Bush how would you characterize > Saddam?

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For the root cacuse of much of the anti-western attiduted in the middle east and accusations of double standards – use a web search on’ UN security council resolutions’ and ‘Isreal’ ……or, just take a look at  http://www.muslimedia.com/archives/special-edition/terrorism50/unreso… I don’t remember hearing much US support to inforce those resolutions – although plenty of support to supply the weapons to continue the occupation. For a race that suffered so much in the 30-30’s the isrealies certainly know how to deal it out to the Palestinians in last 40 years. Double standards – that’s the problem. MB content – see http://mbspy.bacosys.be/lebanon.htm steve

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> Drove past the local BMW dealership this Saturday.  Some bright boy > put out German flags next to American flags.  The dealership was empty > which is rare. > Thank Gerhard Schroder & his henchman Joscka Fischer for there > "protect Saddam" strategy.  Americans were cutting Germany some slack > but pretty soon the Gold, Black and Red Flag is going to start looking > like the WW2 nazi swastika flag.

Then well do the same we did in WWII.  Steal their engineers and bring them over to work for us.  Can you imagine what the US auto market would become with a Von Braun equivalent working here?  Hell, I might just have to abandon my anti-american car buying in that case! :<) chad "German and Jap, but wanting Italian"

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>It is much easier for the liberals to try to reduce world events down to >something their less than educated constituancy can actually understand.

The majority of Americans do not want a war with Iraq, at least based on the current situation and "evidence" produced by the war mongerers that Bush has surrounded himself with.  There is no way that all of this dissenting majority are liberals.   Besides, playing the intelligence card when you support Bush is quite short-sighted of you. Dick Schneiders

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Regarding the USA…..Going  to war in Iraq without France is like going bear hunting without an accordion — David H

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> Americans were cutting Germany some slack > but pretty soon the Gold, Black and Red Flag is going to start looking > like the WW2 nazi swastika flag.

F*ck off, you dumbass *PLONK* — please replace spam-muelleimer with fk-newsgroups for e-mail contact Time Flies Like An Arrow – Fruit Flies Like A Banana

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"*PLONK*" Frank, don’t let them bait you…they even got the flag colour order wrong. DAS — — NB: To reply directly replace "nospam" with "schmetterling" —

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Americans were cutting Germany some slack > but pretty soon the Gold, Black and Red Flag is going to start looking > like the WW2 nazi swastika flag. > F*ck off, you dumbass > *PLONK* > — > please replace spam-muelleimer with fk-newsgroups for e-mail contact > Time Flies Like An Arrow – Fruit Flies Like A Banana

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hey, take it easy….;-) > F*ck off, you dumbass > *PLONK*

cheers Bernhard

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>I agree with my Canadian brothers.

If you’re my brother how come you didn’t send me a birthday present last year? — Richard Sexton  |  Mercedes Parts: http://parts.mbz.org http://www.mbz.org  Mailing lists: http://lists.mbz.org 250SE/C 300SD  Mercedes Classifieds: http://ads.mbz.org 2 x 280SE       Watch list: http://watches.list.mbz.org

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> Drove past the local BMW dealership this Saturday.  Some bright boy > put out German flags next to American flags.  The dealership was empty > which is rare. > Thank Gerhard Schroder & his henchman Joscka Fischer for there > "protect Saddam" strategy.  Americans were cutting Germany some slack > but pretty soon the Gold, Black and Red Flag is going to start looking > like the WW2 nazi swastika flag. > The left is demonizing SUVs and the car manufacturers are worried. > German cars are next.

You can regurgitate the the Daschle/Hillary party line if you want. If you really want to know what’s going on, go visit these countries. Go to Bagdad, visit the middle east. It will shock the $hit out of you. Lets stop talking about who did what and it’s so and so’s fault. Talk to people who got out or anyone who has family over there. (been there, done that). No Bush ain’t perfect. At least he’s not afraid to pull the trigger like some liberals. Ex-military stationed in the middle east.

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> Frank, don’t let them bait you…they even got the flag colour order > wrong.

You are right, and he is in my killfile. Peace, brother Frank — please replace spam-muelleimer with fk-newsgroups for e-mail contact Time Flies Like An Arrow – Fruit Flies Like A Banana

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>Drove past the local BMW dealership this Saturday.  Some bright boy >put out German flags next to American flags.  The dealership was empty >which is rare. >Thank Gerhard Schroder & his henchman Joscka Fischer for there >"protect Saddam" strategy.  Americans were cutting Germany some slack >but pretty soon the Gold, Black and Red Flag is going to start looking >like the WW2 nazi swastika flag. >The left is demonizing SUVs and the car manufacturers are worried. >German cars are next.

Nah! Only those dolts who can’t think for themselves buy into the latest "So-and-so is Hitler" craze.                           | (hotmail acct is spam catcher)

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> >I agree with my Canadian brothers. > If you’re my brother how come you didn’t send me a birthday present last year?

i think he did, i got it. it was bigger and a different colour then the previous years’

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<snip> > Nah! Only those dolts who can’t think for themselves buy into the > latest "So-and-so is Hitler" craze.

<snip> When we all know that Saddam is worse than Hitler. — John Starrett "Those who cannot remember their past lives are condemned to repeat them."

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> What is your point.  No free search or freedom of expression? > Even if you believe Colin Powell or not, President Bush is still a cowboy > wanting a fight.

How about a loose cannon.

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Good luck with your cat’s potty training. The last thing we need at my house is someone else sharing the bathroom!

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> Right.  I’m a bit disappointed.  This is the 1st Newsgroup I’ve gone to > where I could not get an answer to a simple question.

Obviously it’s not a simple question. If you don’t like the responses you get here, why not do a web search? Judy

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> I’ve just looked in here for a possible solution to a problem.  I suppose > this has been discussed before so please bear with me. > I have been training my cat to use the toilet as his litterbox.  He will > urinate in it every time like it’s the most natural thing in the world.  But > he just won’t jump up there to defecate.  If I grab him and put him up on > the seat it’s no problem.  He just won’t do it by himself. > Any ideas? > Thanks, > Darrell

I think he might object to the splashing.  Or perhaps he needs a seat he can get his claws into, so he feels more secure. We had a cat who lived to be very old (nearly 25) who used to use the toilet when she felt her litterbox was in need of a change.  Myself personally, I always thought we should encourage her in the practice, but since she never looked particularly comfortable, and would always look at us reproachfully if we happened to catch her in the act, we used to take our cue and change the litter post-haste.  This in spite of scooping and a routine twice-weekly change.

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>Right.  I’m a bit disappointed.  This is the 1st Newsgroup I’ve gone to >where I could not get an answer to a simple question. >I don’t care to get into a protracted argument here, but I have to ask those >who state that toilet training isn’t "Natural": What is natural about having >a spayed or neutered, nocturnal hunting, aboral dwelling carnivore living in >your house?

"Natural" doesn’t matter.  If you try to force your cat to do something he doesn’t like, then you’re stressing him out. Especially, when it comes to his "restroom" habits.  If you keep trying, you may end up with piss all over your jacket or shoes. DJN

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>This is a big problem around here. If >people don’t agree with what you are >doing, your question goes unanswered.

This is by far the most moronic statement I’ve seen anyone post on this group in quite some time. When someone posts asking how to do something that is harmful or causes unnecessary stress to a cat, we have an OBLIGATION to dissuade them. Answering their question with advice on how to achieve a goal which causes harm or unnecessary stress to a cat is unconscionable. Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu’s Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

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>I have read it isn’t a good idea. Please >read >http://www.sniksnak.com/cathealth/toilet >html

 I would like to point out here that this article is a plagiarized version of a newsgroup post I wrote a few years ago. Susie Bachman stole it. See http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&th=91f55dda471ae53… Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu’s Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

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If you do succeed, he’s not going to flush, is he? You could be setting up some awful stink problems and embarrassing situations with visitors. And what will da cat do when da bog’s in use? When a cat’s gotta go, a cat’s gotta go.  I think if your cat was at all inclined to poo in the toilet, he’d already be doing it. Attempting to force the issue might damage his relationship with you.  I’m not a Freudian, but I can see plenty of potential for future oddities related to potty-training-gone-wrong. The anal cat – what a thought! Behavioural reinforcement relies on encouraging elements of existing behaviour, not creating new behaviours. Cats have an already well-documented tendency to urinate into bathroom and laundry drains, plug-holes etc and the pan isn’t too far removed from that, but I think that’s as far as it goes. Try clumping cat litter. Much less fuss.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve just looked in here for a possible solution to a problem.  I suppose > this has been discussed before so please bear with me. > I have been training my cat to use the toilet as his litterbox.  He will > urinate in it every time like it’s the most natural thing in the world. But > he just won’t jump up there to defecate.  If I grab him and put him up on > the seat it’s no problem.  He just won’t do it by himself. > Any ideas? > Thanks, > Darrell

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Okay, here’s my thinking – do people teach the cat to flush too? Because the poop is just going to sit in the toilet and stink anyway. Why go thru the hassle to train him/her? If the cat likes doing it, he/she will do it. Obviously the cat doesn’t mind urinating, but doesn’t like crapping in the toilet. So give the poor thing a litter box and be done with it already! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > There may not even be an answer to your question, since your cat doesn’t > want to poop on the toilet.  And since no one who’s answered so far, incl. > me, is "pro" making a cat use a human’s toilet, then I for one, am not going > to cudgel my brain trying to figure out a way to entice him to do it. > Especially when I know it’s only for your convenience, because you don’t > want to scoop a litter box, as people w/ cats realize is part & parcel of > having a cat.  Clumping litter – which is widely available these days – > makes keeping a litter box clean super-simple. > If you had asked a question which made a whole lot more sense, re: cats, > people would’ve freely given you plenty of advice, provided there was an > answer to be had. > Cathy > — > "Staccato signals of constant information…" > ("The Boy in the Bubble")  Paul Simon >Right.  I’m a bit disappointed.  This is the 1st Newsgroup I’ve gone to >where I could not get an answer to a simple question. >I don’t care to get into a protracted argument here, but I have to ask > those >who state that toilet training isn’t "Natural": What is natural about > having >a spayed or neutered, nocturnal hunting, aboral dwelling carnivore living > in >your house? >>OK – thank you all for your input.  But let me rephrase the question. >>I’m not looking for suggestions on weather or not this is a good or >>bad idea. It is what we’re doing until our living circumstances >>change.  When that happens, the cat-door gets installed and my boy >>will be free to run outside as he pleases, just like all my previous >>cats.  I’m sure this may cause howls of indignation, but as you all >>stated, cats are predators, need to be cats and need to run.  I’m in >>total agreement.  BUT – in the meantime, I’m NOT fooling with a >>litterbox.  Agreed, it’s for my convenienc, not his.  But there’s a >>pet in the house and a pet owner in the house.  Sorry, but I get to >>lay down the rules. >>So, does anyone have any constructive ideas on how to get "The Dude" >>to take a dump in the commode?  Like I mentioned before, he’s >>perfrctly capable, I believe the boy is just giving me attitude. >>>I’ve just looked in here for a possible solution to a problem.  I >>>suppose this has been discussed before so please bear with me. >>>I have been training my cat to use the toilet as his litterbox.  He >>>will urinate in it every time like it’s the most natural thing in >>>the world. >>But >>>he just won’t jump up there to defecate.  If I grab him and put him >>>up on the seat it’s no problem.  He just won’t do it by himself. >>>Any ideas? >>>Thanks, >>>Darrell >This is a big problem around here. If people don’t agree with what you are >doing, your question goes unanswered. I don’t have anything constructive > to >say. I once had a cat who started urinating in the toilet by himself!  I >have no idea what was in his mind. I’ve never had the inclination to > toilet >train since, but I understand that it’s possible.

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> Right.  I’m a bit disappointed.  This is the 1st Newsgroup I’ve gone to > where I could not get an answer to a simple question. > I don’t care to get into a protracted argument here, but I have to ask those > who state that toilet training isn’t "Natural": What is natural about having > a spayed or neutered, nocturnal hunting, aboral dwelling carnivore living in > your house?

We have domesticated these animals over thousands of years. They are our responsibility. Spaying and neutering is the only way to keep populations down. Maybe it’s not natural, but their health can benefit from it and it is WAY more natural than euthanasia at some shelter. Not sure why you include nocturnal hunting in your list. Look, if someone here has advice and believe t- training is a good idea they are free to give it, but as you see the vast majority of cat companions here do NOT believe it is a good idea and supported their views with examples of why it can be difficult for the cat. All you did was admit this is for your own convenience. You do the math. Karen

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There may not even be an answer to your question, since your cat doesn’t want to poop on the toilet.  And since no one who’s answered so far, incl. me, is "pro" making a cat use a human’s toilet, then I for one, am not going to cudgel my brain trying to figure out a way to entice him to do it. Especially when I know it’s only for your convenience, because you don’t want to scoop a litter box, as people w/ cats realize is part & parcel of having a cat.  Clumping litter – which is widely available these days – makes keeping a litter box clean super-simple. If you had asked a question which made a whole lot more sense, re: cats, people would’ve freely given you plenty of advice, provided there was an answer to be had. Cathy — "Staccato signals of constant information…" ("The Boy in the Bubble")  Paul Simon

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Right.  I’m a bit disappointed.  This is the 1st Newsgroup I’ve gone to > where I could not get an answer to a simple question. > I don’t care to get into a protracted argument here, but I have to ask those > who state that toilet training isn’t "Natural": What is natural about having > a spayed or neutered, nocturnal hunting, aboral dwelling carnivore living in > your house? > OK – thank you all for your input.  But let me rephrase the question. > I’m not looking for suggestions on weather or not this is a good or > bad idea. It is what we’re doing until our living circumstances > change.  When that happens, the cat-door gets installed and my boy > will be free to run outside as he pleases, just like all my previous > cats.  I’m sure this may cause howls of indignation, but as you all > stated, cats are predators, need to be cats and need to run.  I’m in > total agreement.  BUT – in the meantime, I’m NOT fooling with a > litterbox.  Agreed, it’s for my convenienc, not his.  But there’s a > pet in the house and a pet owner in the house.  Sorry, but I get to > lay down the rules. > So, does anyone have any constructive ideas on how to get "The Dude" > to take a dump in the commode?  Like I mentioned before, he’s > perfrctly capable, I believe the boy is just giving me attitude. >> I’ve just looked in here for a possible solution to a problem.  I >> suppose this has been discussed before so please bear with me. >> I have been training my cat to use the toilet as his litterbox.  He >> will urinate in it every time like it’s the most natural thing in >> the world. > But >> he just won’t jump up there to defecate.  If I grab him and put him >> up on the seat it’s no problem.  He just won’t do it by himself. >> Any ideas? >> Thanks, >> Darrell > This is a big problem around here. If people don’t agree with what you are > doing, your question goes unanswered. I don’t have anything constructive to > say. I once had a cat who started urinating in the toilet by himself!  I > have no idea what was in his mind. I’ve never had the inclination to toilet > train since, but I understand that it’s possible.

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Our suggestions stand. This is a BAD idea. Karen

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> OK – thank you all for your input.  But let me rephrase the question.  I’m > not looking for suggestions on weather or not this is a good or bad idea. > It is what we’re doing until our living circumstances change.  When that > happens, the cat-door gets installed and my boy will be free to run outside > as he pleases, just like all my previous cats.  I’m sure this may cause > howls of indignation, but as you all stated, cats are predators, need to be > cats and need to run.  I’m in total agreement.  BUT – in the meantime, I’m > NOT fooling with a litterbox.  Agreed, it’s for my convenienc, not his. But > there’s a pet in the house and a pet owner in the house.  Sorry, but I get > to lay down the rules. > So, does anyone have any constructive ideas on how to get "The Dude" to take > a dump in the commode?  Like I mentioned before, he’s perfrctly capable, I > believe the boy is just giving me attitude. > I’ve just looked in here for a possible solution to a problem.  I suppose > this has been discussed before so please bear with me. > I have been training my cat to use the toilet as his litterbox.  He will > urinate in it every time like it’s the most natural thing in the world. > But > he just won’t jump up there to defecate.  If I grab him and put him up on > the seat it’s no problem.  He just won’t do it by himself. > Any ideas? > Thanks, > Darrell

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> Why are you trying to train your cat to use the toilet? What’s wrong with > him using a litterbox? > Judy

Maybe he doesn’t like the smell of the litter box.  If I’m home, I clean their litter box immediately after they go to the bathroom because I can smell it.  I very briefly thought about training my cats to use the toilet, but I decided against it.

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>OK – thank you all for your input.  But let me rephrase the question.  I’m >not looking for suggestions on weather or not this is a good or bad idea. >It is what we’re doing until our living circumstances change.  When that >happens, the cat-door gets installed and my boy will be free to run outside >as he pleases, just like all my previous cats.  I’m sure this may cause >howls of indignation, but as you all stated, cats are predators, need to be >cats and need to run.  I’m in total agreement.  BUT – in the meantime, I’m >NOT fooling with a litterbox.  Agreed, it’s for my convenienc, not his.  But >there’s a pet in the house and a pet owner in the house.  Sorry, but I get >to lay down the rules.

If a cat doesn’t want to do something, you can’t make him do it.  If your try to force him, you’ll stress him out.  If you don’t like fooling with a litterbox, which is minimal work, maybe you should get yourself a dog or even better a pet rock.  Cats don’t buy into "I get to lay down the rules". DJN

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Right.  I’m a bit disappointed.  This is the 1st Newsgroup I’ve gone to where I could not get an answer to a simple question. I don’t care to get into a protracted argument here, but I have to ask those who state that toilet training isn’t "Natural": What is natural about having a spayed or neutered, nocturnal hunting, aboral dwelling carnivore living in your house?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > OK – thank you all for your input.  But let me rephrase the question. > I’m not looking for suggestions on weather or not this is a good or > bad idea. It is what we’re doing until our living circumstances > change.  When that happens, the cat-door gets installed and my boy > will be free to run outside as he pleases, just like all my previous > cats.  I’m sure this may cause howls of indignation, but as you all > stated, cats are predators, need to be cats and need to run.  I’m in > total agreement.  BUT – in the meantime, I’m NOT fooling with a > litterbox.  Agreed, it’s for my convenienc, not his.  But there’s a > pet in the house and a pet owner in the house.  Sorry, but I get to > lay down the rules. > So, does anyone have any constructive ideas on how to get "The Dude" > to take a dump in the commode?  Like I mentioned before, he’s > perfrctly capable, I believe the boy is just giving me attitude. > I’ve just looked in here for a possible solution to a problem.  I > suppose this has been discussed before so please bear with me. > I have been training my cat to use the toilet as his litterbox.  He > will urinate in it every time like it’s the most natural thing in > the world. > But > he just won’t jump up there to defecate.  If I grab him and put him > up on the seat it’s no problem.  He just won’t do it by himself. > Any ideas? > Thanks, > Darrell

This is a big problem around here. If people don’t agree with what you are doing, your question goes unanswered. I don’t have anything constructive to say. I once had a cat who started urinating in the toilet by himself!  I have no idea what was in his mind. I’ve never had the inclination to toilet train since, but I understand that it’s possible.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > OK – thank you all for your input.  But let me rephrase the question. > I’m not looking for suggestions on weather or not this is a good or > bad idea. It is what we’re doing until our living circumstances > change.  When that happens, the cat-door gets installed and my boy > will be free to run outside as he pleases, just like all my previous > cats.  I’m sure this may cause howls of indignation, but as you all > stated, cats are predators, need to be cats and need to run.  I’m in > total agreement.  BUT – in the meantime, I’m NOT fooling with a > litterbox.  Agreed, it’s for my convenienc, not his.  But there’s a > pet in the house and a pet owner in the house.  Sorry, but I get to > lay down the rules. > So, does anyone have any constructive ideas on how to get "The Dude" > to take a dump in the commode?  Like I mentioned before, he’s > perfrctly capable, I believe the boy is just giving me attitude. > I’ve just looked in here for a possible solution to a problem.  I > suppose this has been discussed before so please bear with me. > I have been training my cat to use the toilet as his litterbox.  He > will urinate in it every time like it’s the most natural thing in > the world. > But > he just won’t jump up there to defecate.  If I grab him and put him > up on the seat it’s no problem.  He just won’t do it by himself. > Any ideas? > Thanks, > Darrell

This is a big problem around here. If people don’t agree with what you are doing, your question goes unanswered. I don’t have anything constructive to say. I once had a cat who started urinating in the toilet by himself!  I have no idea what was in his mind. I’ve never had the inclination to toilet train since, but I understand that it’s possible.

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>So, does anyone have any constructive ideas on how to get "The Dude" to take >a dump in the commode?  Like I mentioned before, he’s perfrctly capable, I >believe the boy is just giving me attitude.

Darrell, the "Dude" needs a litterbox.  How would you like it if you were made to go in a litterbox?  Well, that’s the same as you forcing him to go on a human toilet.  What’s the big deal about a litterbox?  Also, cats don’t give attitude.  That is only your perception. Do the cat a favor and give him a litterbox, please. Lauren =^..^= See my cats:   http://www.picturetrail.com/mickey4paws/703043 To Error is Human, To be Purrfect is Feline

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>OK – thank you all for your input.  But let me rephrase the question.  I’m >not looking for suggestions on weather or not this is a good or bad idea. >It is what we’re doing until our living circumstances change.  When that >happens, the cat-door gets installed and my boy will be free to run outside >as he pleases, just like all my previous cats.  I’m sure this may cause >howls of indignation, but as you all stated, cats are predators, need to be >cats and need to run.  I’m in total agreement.  BUT – in the meantime, I’m >NOT fooling with a litterbox.

So… what are you doing when he poops? I mean, he doesn

> Hi all , >     Is it best to watch bullfight in madrid (I mean the atmosphere) ? Is > there any websites or information about the schedule (like when it will take > place in a week. ) . Is there any in barcelona ?

It’s been mentioned that there are bullfights in BCN and usually only on Sunday. Schedules might be found through those links listed. As someone said, in BCN the bullfights are rarely patronized by locals so this tells me it simply for tourist attraction. hasn’t listed a single 2002 bullfight schedule other than that for the month-long festival of San Isidro last spring! This makes me crazy! How hard can it be to list the next Sunday’s 3 bullfighters? Madrid brings Spain’s (and Portugal’s/France’s) most famous bullfighters and has the country’s most largest bullring but it’s #2 in the world to the monstrosity in Mexico City. La Maestranza, the bullring in Sevilla, is arguably the most beautiful and historical. Have a GREAT time throughout Spain! Saludos, MadridMan — Visit MadridMan’s Yankee Home Page & http://www.MadridMan.com

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wow!! That was dumb.

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>I think that, if one is to visit Spain, it’s important to go to at >least one bullfight to learn something of that very important aspect >of Spanish culture. You might not like it, but it is their culture >and, if you weren’t interested in it, you wouldn’t be there, right?

Excuse the pun but:- Bull. I have every respect for the tradition and culture behind genuine corridas (I’m sure you know that there’s more to a corrida than just the bull fight but I’ll mention it for others.) but I don’t want any part of it and I’m not interested in it.  Fox hunting is part of our culture but I wouldn’t expect any visitors to join the first hunt that rode past. I understand your dislike of those who blindly attack other cultures without attempting to understand them.  Constant referrals to "sport" show how little it is understood.  The culture can be understood without a visit to the Plaza.  Fully understanding it takes years anyway. I have to take exception to your comments because of my deep affection for Spanish culture.  That affection and the knowledge it has brought allow me to tolerate the Taurina culture but I’ll never accept it and (in common with many Spaniards, I’ll continue to argue against it.) Tradition is no excuse for cruelty.  Bear baiting was a tradition in this part of England until the early 20th century.  Was it wrong to outlaw it? Spain has outlawed many of it’s cruel traditions, tossing goats off towers, grown men hanging from a goose’s neck etc.  They obviously don’t believe that tradition, in itself is enough. My main two gripes are these: Non-locals who run at the encieros in Pamplona.  They’ve probably never read Hemingway, not that that would excuse it.  They aren’t Basque so there’s no tradition, only cruelty.   Constant digs at Spain over bull fighting.  It’s just as popular in Portugal and Southern France.  More so in the latter IME. — Cheers, Chris

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>Excuse the pun but:- Bull.

<snip the rest> The OP poster asked for cities and schedules.  I don’t remember him asking for personal views on whether he should go to a bullfight or not  

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>>Excuse the pun but:- Bull. ><snip the rest> >The OP poster asked for cities and schedules.  I don’t remember him asking for >personal views on whether he should go to a bullfight or not  

I wasn’t giving him them. — Cheers, Chris

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> Hi all , >     Is it best to watch bullfight in madrid (I mean the atmosphere) ? Is > there any websites or information about the schedule (like when it will take > place in a week. ) . Is there any in barcelona ?

If you do go, try going to a popular, big fight with famous (well, in Spain anyway) fighters. There’s more chance of a less gruesome display because they _should_ be better at their job. You probably wouldn’t want to see some 2-bit amateur on his first outing…… The festival they have in Sevilla is a good bet – as are many of the other big towns in Andalucia. Sevilla bullring is a superb place to visit even without a fight on. Website is: http://www.realmaestranza.com – there are loads of fights on around Easter (Semana Santa), weekly until June, and a few more in September. hwyl! geraint.

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> go to atleast one bullfight to learn something of that very important > aspect of Spanish culture . . . if you weren’t interested in it, you > wouldn’t be there, right? > Excuse the pun but:- Bull.

I do not disagree with what you said but I shall not retract what I said. ICONO CLAST: A San Franciscan who’s visited 49 of 50 US states http://geocities.com/dancefest/            IClast at SFbay Net

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Excuse the pun but:- Bull. > I have every respect for the tradition and culture behind genuine > corridas (I’m sure you know that there’s more to a corrida than just > the bull fight but I’ll mention it for others.) but I don’t want any > part of it and I’m not interested in it.  Fox hunting is part of our > culture but I wouldn’t expect any visitors to join the first hunt that > rode past. > I understand your dislike of those who blindly attack other cultures > without attempting to understand them.  Constant referrals to "sport" > show how little it is understood.  The culture can be understood > without a visit to the Plaza.  Fully understanding it takes years > anyway. > I have to take exception to your comments because of my deep affection > for Spanish culture.  That affection and the knowledge it has brought > allow me to tolerate the Taurina culture but I’ll never accept it and > (in common with many Spaniards, I’ll continue to argue against it.) > Tradition is no excuse for cruelty.  Bear baiting was a tradition in > this part of England until the early 20th century.  Was it wrong to > outlaw it? > Spain has outlawed many of it’s cruel traditions, tossing goats off > towers, grown men hanging from a goose’s neck etc.  They obviously > don’t believe that tradition, in itself is enough. > My main two gripes are these: > Non-locals who run at the encieros in Pamplona.  They’ve probably > never read Hemingway, not that that would excuse it.  They aren’t > Basque so there’s no tradition, only cruelty. > Constant digs at Spain over bull fighting.  It’s just as popular in > Portugal and Southern France.  More so in the latter IME.

I’m pro bullfighting, but a very good, reasoned response with which I wholly agree. Incidentally, tourists to the UK would probably love to see a hunt, but I suspect bullfighting is rather more accessible! Surreyman

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Is bullfighting only available on Sunday or Saturday ? Since I will be in madrid on Mon and I can’t really change that one day earlier.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->    Is it best to watch bullfight in madrid (I mean the atmosphere) ? Is >there any websites or information about the schedule (like when it will take >place in a week. ) . Is there any in barcelona ? >Thanks. >Perseus > If you want to see a bullfight, go in Madrid. > Barcelona is not the best place to see one…to say the least, the city does > not embrace the sport > If you can’t see one in Madrid, catch one in Andalucia.  Portugal is also quite > good (the bull lives). > These sites may be of help: > www.las-ventas.com >  (look at their "www sites" links section) > www.toros.com

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> NO BULLFIGHTINGS!!!!! > I’m with you.  What is the fascination here, to what human emotion > does this ?sport? provide satisfaction?   I can’t even stand rodeos. > After seeing the cowboys get hurt I had to scratch my head (didn’t > get splinters either) in disbelief.  Come to think, football comes into > this category as well.

Then you obviously do not have the remotest idea of what bullfighting is all about. Surreyman

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> There’s bullfighting all over Spain. The best venue is probably at la > F

I’m gonna be spending the summer up in the woods of NH… But every time I go up there, the bugs just love the smell of the purfumes in normal shampoos and soap.  Any suggestions?  Is there non-scented soap and/or shampoo out there, and if so, where can I get my hands on some?

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You may want to check your local organic store, they may have something. Otherwise, you could check the baby section of your local supermarket.  Baby products are generally softer and some may be scent free.  Let us know what you find out, I’d be interested in the same thing. Fabien Tiburce

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m gonna be spending the summer up in the woods of NH… But every > time I go up there, the bugs just love the smell of the purfumes in > normal shampoos and soap.  Any suggestions?  Is there non-scented soap > and/or shampoo out there, and if so, where can I get my hands on some?

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>I’m gonna be spending the summer up in the woods of NH… But every >time I go up there, the bugs just love the smell of the purfumes in >normal shampoos and soap.  Any suggestions?  Is there non-scented soap >and/or shampoo out there, and if so, where can I get my hands on some?

Neutrogena makes some unscented soaps and lotions, but I don’t know about shampoo.  Can you post if you find unscented shampoo somewhere. I usually use that Castille soap stuff in the almond scent and never noticed bugs being really attracted to my hair – maybe they have that in unscented. -kim

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>I’m gonna be spending the summer up in the woods of NH… But every >time I go up there, the bugs just love the smell of the purfumes in >normal shampoos and soap.  Any suggestions?  Is there non-scented soap >and/or shampoo out there, and if so, where can I get my hands on some?

I generally haven’t had problems with Dr. Bronner’s peppermint. For truly scent-free soaps, go to a hunting store. Serious hunters, especially bowhunters, use scent-free soaps so they don’t smell un-natural to the sminals they are stlaking. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom

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get an electric fence

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->     I am guessing that the neighbor ducks are ‘clippd’ and flightless. If so – > what material do ducks hesitate to walk upon ? Obviously, no one here is > suggesting that harming the little darlings is a reasonable action. However – > animals with brains the size of stunted hazelnuts often require physical > reinforcement of their lessons as their reasoning ability tends to be on the low > scale. >     Someone mentioned Labradors . Their reasoning ability is questionable – but > the ‘rent-a-lab’  program might be just the thing for your home. Have you a > kindly associate who might lend you a lab which you can keep strategically > confined for a few days near the pond approach ?  I hate to tether dogs – but we > are talking about ducks.  Surely mama duck has taught the offspring about the > angers of a 130 lb labrador . Surely. >     Now, another more permanent answer should your neighbor not respond to the > dog-duck-deterrent method – which is what we hope that HE will restrain his pets > in the face of duck-dog – is what can ducks not bear to walk upon or through. Do > they mind sharp shells like like oyster shards ? How about broken walnut husks. > Their feet are tough – but do they navigate a wire four inches off the ground > very well ? >     I’d be tempted to resort to the universal dog-b-gone, cat-b-gone, pig-b-gone > (happened and I do not live in a rural area ..) trick of a small electric fence > wire on plastic stakes some 3-4" above the ground. If landscaping is heavy, weave > it around for concealment. >     If you feathered neighbors are flight enabled, well.  Might try a > biodegradable dish soap in the pond depending upon fishy concerns. Kio – never. > I’m a minow man, myself. I hate to offer candy bars to the local raccoons. >     Ever see a duck do laps around the bottom ? Add a quarter cup of > yellow-bottle gold and you will.  Look quick becasue they don’t last long. Make > sure it is one of those organic-bio brands. The stuff in ‘insert barnd here’ > wouldn’t be too good – phosphates. Used to have lots of phosphates. I’m not sure > anymore. It’s been a while since I treated a mass-spec machine as a toy. >     I’d use a rake to fish ‘em out, too. Just me. > Called my son….He has a bow & arrow for hunting!! Said he would gladly help > me (said he needed the practice). > That really would be a mean thing to do, but I’m at my wits end!!! > Will let you know what and when If get > this problem solved. > Joanne

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You might try a large plastic snake or a plastic owl.  They work (for a while) on pigeons.  Any chance of getting a pet coon?  They love ducks.  So do minks, weasles, ferrets, and hawks.  You could build an owl nest box and put it by your pond. You might also try the little trick people use on herons: electrified pet fence around the pond. Its just a single wire with harmless 12 volt current running through it.  Available at your local hardware store.  You could probably hide the wire pretty well in the marginals around your pond. Also, ducks are scared of shotguns.  If it were me, I’d have already had me some duck gumbo, yeah chere.  Bonne chance. Ed. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Called my son….He has a bow & arrow for hunting!! Said he would gladly help > me (said he needed the practice). > That really would be a mean thing to do, but I’m at my wits end!!! > Will let you know what and when If get > this problem solved. > Joanne

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> buy a duck at your local grocery.  cook it.  take it over to your > neighbor. dont say a word, just hand it to them.  Ingrid

Is that all I have to do to get my neighbors to cook for me No, wait, I’m the one with the pond -stacy — You’ll see it’s all a show. Keep ‘em laughing as you go. Just remember that the last laugh is on you.         – Monty Python _The Life Of Brian_ Millions Consulting Limited

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~Can you borrow a friend’s labrador for a week? ~Tell the neighbor you are taking gourmet cooking and the first recipe is peking duck? ~Find a big old snapping turtle and give him a home. Seriously, there ought to be some kind of regulation in your town or county about nuisance animals. Start writing down every incident and investigate what your rights are as a property owner, then report him ( he doesn’t sound like he is very serious about keeping his ducks out of your pond). good luck! k30a how to cure green water http://hometown.aol.com/k30a/myhomepage/writing.html herons eating your fish? fancy a turtle? need to bag a bullfrog? http://hometown.aol.com/k30a/myhomepage/garden.html

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buy a duck at your local grocery.  cook it.  take it over to your neighbor. dont say a word, just hand it to them.  Ingrid >Please help me …My neighbor has ducks and they are really messing up my yard >and pond. I’ve ask him several times to keep his ducks out of my yard and pond. >He always says "I’ll work on it" but had to put a net over my pond and it looks >terrible!! can’t enjoy my pond …what can I do…..Joanne

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Called my son….He has a bow & arrow for hunting!! Said he would gladly help me (said he needed the practice). That really would be a mean thing to do, but I’m at my wits end!!! Will let you know what and when If get this problem solved. Joanne

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    I am guessing that the neighbor ducks are ‘clippd’ and flightless. If so – what material do ducks hesitate to walk upon ? Obviously, no one here is suggesting that harming the little darlings is a reasonable action. However – animals with brains the size of stunted hazelnuts often require physical reinforcement of their lessons as their reasoning ability tends to be on the low scale.     Someone mentioned Labradors . Their reasoning ability is questionable – but the ‘rent-a-lab’  program might be just the thing for your home. Have you a kindly associate who might lend you a lab which you can keep strategically confined for a few days near the pond approach ?  I hate to tether dogs – but we are talking about ducks.  Surely mama duck has taught the offspring about the angers of a 130 lb labrador . Surely.     Now, another more permanent answer should your neighbor not respond to the dog-duck-deterrent method – which is what we hope that HE will restrain his pets in the face of duck-dog – is what can ducks not bear to walk upon or through. Do they mind sharp shells like like oyster shards ? How about broken walnut husks. Their feet are tough – but do they navigate a wire four inches off the ground very well ?     I’d be tempted to resort to the universal dog-b-gone, cat-b-gone, pig-b-gone (happened and I do not live in a rural area ..) trick of a small electric fence wire on plastic stakes some 3-4" above the ground. If landscaping is heavy, weave it around for concealment.     If you feathered neighbors are flight enabled, well.  Might try a biodegradable dish soap in the pond depending upon fishy concerns. Kio – never. I’m a minow man, myself. I hate to offer candy bars to the local raccoons.     Ever see a duck do laps around the bottom ? Add a quarter cup of yellow-bottle gold and you will.  Look quick becasue they don’t last long.  Make sure it is one of those organic-bio brands. The stuff in ‘insert barnd here’ wouldn’t be too good – phosphates. Used to have lots of phosphates. I’m not sure anymore. It’s been a while since I treated a mass-spec machine as a toy.     I’d use a rake to fish ‘em out, too. Just me. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Called my son….He has a bow & arrow for hunting!! Said he would gladly help > me (said he needed the practice). > That really would be a mean thing to do, but I’m at my wits end!!! > Will let you know what and when If get > this problem solved. > Joanne

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Please help me …My neighbor has ducks and they are really messing up my yard and pond. I’ve ask him several times to keep his ducks out of my yard and pond. He always says "I’ll work on it" but had to put a net over my pond and it looks terrible!! can’t enjoy my pond …what can I do…..Joanne

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get an electric fence

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->     I am guessing that the neighbor ducks are ‘clippd’ and flightless. If so – > what material do ducks hesitate to walk upon ? Obviously, no one here is > suggesting that harming the little darlings is a reasonable action. However – > animals with brains the size of stunted hazelnuts often require physical > reinforcement of their lessons as their reasoning ability tends to be on the low > scale. >     Someone mentioned Labradors . Their reasoning ability is questionable – but > the ‘rent-a-lab’  program might be just the thing for your home. Have you a > kindly associate who might lend you a lab which you can keep strategically > confined for a few days near the pond approach ?  I hate to tether dogs – but we > are talking about ducks.  Surely mama duck has taught the offspring about the > angers of a 130 lb labrador . Surely. >     Now, another more permanent answer should your neighbor not respond to the > dog-duck-deterrent method – which is what we hope that HE will restrain his pets > in the face of duck-dog – is what can ducks not bear to walk upon or through. Do > they mind sharp shells like like oyster shards ? How about broken walnut husks. > Their feet are tough – but do they navigate a wire four inches off the ground > very well ? >     I’d be tempted to resort to the universal dog-b-gone, cat-b-gone, pig-b-gone > (happened and I do not live in a rural area ..) trick of a small electric fence > wire on plastic stakes some 3-4" above the ground. If landscaping is heavy, weave > it around for concealment. >     If you feathered neighbors are flight enabled, well.  Might try a > biodegradable dish soap in the pond depending upon fishy concerns. Kio – never. > I’m a minow man, myself. I hate to offer candy bars to the local raccoons. >     Ever see a duck do laps around the bottom ? Add a quarter cup of > yellow-bottle gold and you will.  Look quick becasue they don’t last long. Make > sure it is one of those organic-bio brands. The stuff in ‘insert barnd here’ > wouldn’t be too good – phosphates. Used to have lots of phosphates. I’m not sure > anymore. It’s been a while since I treated a mass-spec machine as a toy. >     I’d use a rake to fish ‘em out, too. Just me. > Called my son….He has a bow & arrow for hunting!! Said he would gladly help > me (said he needed the practice). > That really would be a mean thing to do, but I’m at my wits end!!! > Will let you know what and when If get > this problem solved. > Joanne

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You might try a large plastic snake or a plastic owl.  They work (for a while) on pigeons.  Any chance of getting a pet coon?  They love ducks.  So do minks, weasles, ferrets, and hawks.  You could build an owl nest box and put it by your pond. You might also try the little trick people use on herons: electrified pet fence around the pond. Its just a single wire with harmless 12 volt current running through it.  Available at your local hardware store.  You could probably hide the wire pretty well in the marginals around your pond. Also, ducks are scared of shotguns.  If it were me, I’d have already had me some duck gumbo, yeah chere.  Bonne chance. Ed. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Called my son….He has a bow & arrow for hunting!! Said he would gladly help > me (said he needed the practice). > That really would be a mean thing to do, but I’m at my wits end!!! > Will let you know what and when If get > this problem solved. > Joanne

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> buy a duck at your local grocery.  cook it.  take it over to your > neighbor. dont say a word, just hand it to them.  Ingrid

Is that all I have to do to get my neighbors to cook for me No, wait, I’m the one with the pond -stacy — You’ll see it’s all a show. Keep ‘em laughing as you go. Just remember that the last laugh is on you.         – Monty Python _The Life Of Brian_ Millions Consulting Limited

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~Can you borrow a friend’s labrador for a week? ~Tell the neighbor you are taking gourmet cooking and the first recipe is peking duck? ~Find a big old snapping turtle and give him a home. Seriously, there ought to be some kind of regulation in your town or county about nuisance animals. Start writing down every incident and investigate what your rights are as a property owner, then report him ( he doesn’t sound like he is very serious about keeping his ducks out of your pond). good luck! k30a how to cure green water http://hometown.aol.com/k30a/myhomepage/writing.html herons eating your fish? fancy a turtle? need to bag a bullfrog? http://hometown.aol.com/k30a/myhomepage/garden.html

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buy a duck at your local grocery.  cook it.  take it over to your neighbor. dont say a word, just hand it to them.  Ingrid >Please help me …My neighbor has ducks and they are really messing up my yard >and pond. I’ve ask him several times to keep his ducks out of my yard and pond. >He always says "I’ll work on it" but had to put a net over my pond and it looks >terrible!! can’t enjoy my pond …what can I do…..Joanne

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Called my son….He has a bow & arrow for hunting!! Said he would gladly help me (said he needed the practice). That really would be a mean thing to do, but I’m at my wits end!!! Will let you know what and when If get this problem solved. Joanne

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    I am guessing that the neighbor ducks are ‘clippd’ and flightless. If so – what material do ducks hesitate to walk upon ? Obviously, no one here is suggesting that harming the little darlings is a reasonable action. However – animals with brains the size of stunted hazelnuts often require physical reinforcement of their lessons as their reasoning ability tends to be on the low scale.     Someone mentioned Labradors . Their reasoning ability is questionable – but the ‘rent-a-lab’  program might be just the thing for your home. Have you a kindly associate who might lend you a lab which you can keep strategically confined for a few days near the pond approach ?  I hate to tether dogs – but we are talking about ducks.  Surely mama duck has taught the offspring about the angers of a 130 lb labrador . Surely.     Now, another more permanent answer should your neighbor not respond to the dog-duck-deterrent method – which is what we hope that HE will restrain his pets in the face of duck-dog – is what can ducks not bear to walk upon or through. Do they mind sharp shells like like oyster shards ? How about broken walnut husks. Their feet are tough – but do they navigate a wire four inches off the ground very well ?     I’d be tempted to resort to the universal dog-b-gone, cat-b-gone, pig-b-gone (happened and I do not live in a rural area ..) trick of a small electric fence wire on plastic stakes some 3-4" above the ground. If landscaping is heavy, weave it around for concealment.     If you feathered neighbors are flight enabled, well.  Might try a biodegradable dish soap in the pond depending upon fishy concerns. Kio – never. I’m a minow man, myself. I hate to offer candy bars to the local raccoons.     Ever see a duck do laps around the bottom ? Add a quarter cup of yellow-bottle gold and you will.  Look quick becasue they don’t last long.  Make sure it is one of those organic-bio brands. The stuff in ‘insert barnd here’ wouldn’t be too good – phosphates. Used to have lots of phosphates. I’m not sure anymore. It’s been a while since I treated a mass-spec machine as a toy.     I’d use a rake to fish ‘em out, too. Just me. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Called my son….He has a bow & arrow for hunting!! Said he would gladly help > me (said he needed the practice). > That really would be a mean thing to do, but I’m at my wits end!!! > Will let you know what and when If get > this problem solved. > Joanne

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Please help me …My neighbor has ducks and they are really messing up my yard and pond. I’ve ask him several times to keep his ducks out of my yard and pond. He always says "I’ll work on it" but had to put a net over my pond and it looks terrible!! can’t enjoy my pond …what can I do…..Joanne

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Nor cover scents,  From Pennsylvania Game Commision Web Site (Black Bear Hunting Laws and Regulations): Taking Advantage of Food or Bait It is unlawful to hunt in or around any area where artificial or natural bait, food, hay, grain, fruit, nuts, salt, chemicals or minerals, including their residues, are used or have been used within the past 30 days as an enticement to lure a bear or other wildlife, regardless of the type or quantity. Scents and Lures Hunters may not use scents and lures while bear hunting. This includes cover scents. — Alberg30, "Fair Wind"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> That’s illegal in Pennsylvania, and it should be. You can’t even use > attractant scents here. > Could give it to bear hunter.  Their favorite techniqque is to fill a > pit full of donuts, grease, melted candy, etc. & cap the bear from a > tree stand about 20 feet away.  I am not against hunting per se but this > is hardly fair.  Now bullriding on the other hand . . .

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That’s illegal in Pennsylvania, and it should be. You can’t even use attractant scents here.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Could give it to bear hunter.  Their favorite techniqque is to fill a > pit full of donuts, grease, melted candy, etc. & cap the bear from a > tree stand about 20 feet away.  I am not against hunting per se but this > is hardly fair.  Now bullriding on the other hand . . .

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I use it in my burn barrel.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Could give it to bear hunter.  Their favorite techniqque is to fill a > pit full of donuts, grease, melted candy, etc. & cap the bear from a > tree stand about 20 feet away.  I am not against hunting per se but this > is hardly fair.  Now bullriding on the other hand . . .

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Could give it to bear hunter.  Their favorite techniqque is to fill a pit full of donuts, grease, melted candy, etc. & cap the bear from a tree stand about 20 feet away.  I am not against hunting per se but this is hardly fair.  Now bullriding on the other hand . . .

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>Hey, where’s those two guys that converted a motor to run on deep fryer fat,

If you’re interested, check out bio-diesel at google or your favorite search engine. I think they dubbed the vehicle "The green machine" or some such. — be safe, flip ^___^ ^.^/ ==u==

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Really bad for the cesspool. > Filter the stuff through a great bunch of old rags, > and use it for lamp oil in tiki torches. > Home owner disposing oil from a deep fryer.  What effect would it have > on a cesspool? > Help it? > Hurt it? > Not a factor > delete "nospam" for e-mail reply

Dig a hole in your backyard and bury it.  This stuff is bio-degradable. Yaofeng

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www.veggievan.org

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hey, where’s those two guys that converted a motor to run on deep fryer fat, > If you’re interested, check out bio-diesel at google or your favorite > search engine. I think they dubbed the vehicle "The green machine" or > some such. > — > be safe, > flip > ^___^ > ^.^/ > ==u==

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> Home owner disposing oil from a deep fryer.  What effect would it have > on a cesspool?

I hope you don’t use it once and throw it away.  Unless used for something with strong odor, like fish, or you’ve burnt something in it, there is no reason not to reuse it.  Strain it and put into a container in the fridge to reuse.  Peanut oil has higher smoking temperature, which I learned when I started cooking in a wok, but don’t know how it is for deep frying. Might get more use from it since it doesn’t burn as easily.  Your community recycling center might have a place to drop it off, too.  My city has gotten stricter with restaurants and used oil, but haven’t really paid attention to the nitty gritty – perhaps a company that picks it up from restaurants will take it off your hands. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Help it? > Hurt it? > Not a factor > delete "nospam" for e-mail reply

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>I hope you don’t use it once and throw it away.  Unless used for something >with strong odor, like fish, or you’ve burnt something in it, there is no >reason not to reuse it.

Unless you have a cholesterol problem. Oil begins to become saturated the longer it is heated. If you are using an oil that is low in saturated fats, that is only true *before* it is heated. This is why the oil clouds up a bit after being heated. The more saturated it gets, the cloudier it will be after it cools to room temperature. This is why french fries purchased at a fast food place early in the day are *slightly* better for you than those purchased later in the day! —       Calvin Henry-Cotnam      | "Nothing quite livens up a suburban        DAXaCK associates       | neighbourhood like a driveway boasting Richmond Hill, Ontario, Canada | plastic milk crates loaded with crap." http://home.ica.net/~calvinhc  |   — John Oakley, radio talk-show host        NOTE: if replying by email, remove the capital letters!

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Really bad for the cesspool. Filter the stuff through a great bunch of old rags, and use it for lamp oil in tiki torches. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Home owner disposing oil from a deep fryer.  What effect would it have > on a cesspool? > Help it? > Hurt it? > Not a factor > delete "nospam" for e-mail reply

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No, never dump grease into your septic system. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Home owner disposing oil from a deep fryer.  What effect would it have >on a cesspool?   >Help it?   >Hurt it?   >Not a factor >delete "nospam" for e-mail reply

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>Home owner disposing oil from a deep fryer.  What effect would it have >on a cesspool?   >Help it?   >Hurt it?   >Not a factor

Hurt it. Hey, where’s those two guys that converted a motor to run on deep fryer fat, then drove it cross country, (stopping at restaurants to refuel), when you need them?

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>Home owner disposing oil from a deep fryer.  What effect would it have >on a cesspool?  

Restaurant cooking oil waste is usually sold to pig farmers. They even come around to collect it from you. klmok

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> >Home owner disposing oil from a deep fryer.  What effect would it have >on a cesspool? > Restaurant cooking oil waste is usually sold to pig farmers. They even > come around to collect it from you. > klmok

this is Turtle. The Dog Kennel owners use it to fatten up a dog that is sick or has been starved a lot. You put it in their food and they get fat fast. TURTLE

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> Home owner disposing oil from a deep fryer.  What effect would it have > on a cesspool?   > Help it?   > Hurt it?   > Not a factor

Go to your favorite restaurant and talk to the manager to see if they will take it. Few years back the grease collection outfits would pay for the used fat, but now it’s the opposite. — Bebop

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>Home owner disposing oil from a deep fryer.  What effect would it have >on a cesspool?

I’ve heard of people who have modified a diesel engine to burn cooking oil instead of diesel. I am suspecting that the modifications/adjustments are similar in nature to what needs to be done to a gasoline engine to allow it to burn straight alcohol (I don’t mean the exact same things need to be done, but let me continue with the analogy…) Given that you can usually burn a gas/alcohol mixture with something like 10% alcohol in the mix without modifying the engine, I suspect that you could also probably put up to 10% cooking oil in a mix with diesel and run without problems. Any diesel experts here that can confirm or deny this? —       Calvin Henry-Cotnam      | "Nothing quite livens up a suburban        DAXaCK associates       | neighbourhood like a driveway boasting Richmond Hill, Ontario, Canada | plastic milk crates loaded with crap." http://home.ica.net/~calvinhc  |   — John Oakley, radio talk-show host        NOTE: if replying by email, remove the capital letters!

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Any decent places to look for quail in CA, never been quail hunting before so I don’t know where to look. Thanks In Advance Mike Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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> Any decent places to look for quail in CA, never been quail hunting before > so I don’t know where to look. > Thanks In Advance

Almost anywhere in the Sierra Nevada range…especially around the Tahoe Basin.  You’ll find lots of C alifornia Quail and Mountain Quail.  My favorite spots are around the Susanville Area…noty because of the birds…more about the atmosphere and restaraunts. HH Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Mike,     Strongly you contact Dick Halderman, Regional Director with Quail Unlimited and get into a chapter near you or he can help you start one. There are a lot of benefits in being an active member (inside information, learning Stephen Ross Past So. CA State Chairman of Quail Unlimited Inc. Founding member of San Gabriel Valley Chapter > Any decent places to look for quail in CA, never been quail hunting before > so I don’t know where to look. > Thanks In Advance > Mike > Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: >         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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> Any decent places to look for quail in CA, never been quail hunting before > so I don’t know where to look. > Thanks In Advance > Mike > Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: >         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

You can try this hunting forum, bunch of California hunters hang out here. http://www.jesseshuntingpage.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard//ikonboard.cgi ~Jesse Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Hello Mike, I saw your post on rec.hunting. We have a talk forum with many California hunters who can help you out at http://www.jesseshuntingpage.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard//ikonboard.cgi Regards, ~Jesse

 > Any decent places to look for quail in CA, never been quail hunting before  > so I don’t know where to look.  >  > Thanks In Advance  >  > Mike  >  > Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:  >         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ ~Jesse http://www.jesseshuntingpage.com New Talk Forums!! http://www.jesseshuntingpage.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard//ikonboard.cgi Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Thanks for all the replies to my question about hunting Quail in CA, that would be Southern CA since I forgot to specify in original post. Mike

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Any decent places to look for quail in CA, never been quail hunting before > so I don’t know where to look. > Thanks In Advance > Mike > Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: >         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ > where do you live?? > I hunt in the central valley and near Paso Robles, FT. Hunter Liggett > (closed!) > you can check out … > www.jesseshuntingpage.com > its a good resource > also the Cal DFG > Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: >         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Thanks for the info, I live in Riverside and had thought about the Big Bear area although was unsure what parts were open to hunting.  What is the best contact to find out that info ? Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– Newsgroups: rec.hunting Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 03:25 > I guess it depends on where you live in CA? I lived in So. Cal for many years > and have hunted Quail from Lancaster to Big Bear. There are large numbers near > Silverwood Lake near Hesperia. Good areas throughout, you just need to find the > public lands or contact the landowners. Most areas are so wide open that if you > avoid houses, most people don’t bother you. Good Luck!! > Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: >         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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I guess it depends on where you live in CA? I lived in So. Cal for many years and have hunted Quail from Lancaster to Big Bear. There are large numbers near Silverwood Lake near Hesperia. Good areas throughout, you just need to find the public lands or contact the landowners. Most areas are so wide open that if you avoid houses, most people don’t bother you. Good Luck!! Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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> Any decent places to look for quail in CA, never been quail hunting before > so I don’t know where to look. > Thanks In Advance > Mike > Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: >         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

What part of Ca. I hunt in 2 different zones of Northern Ca. and see quail there when I hunt deer. — Valkyrie Never mess up an apology with an excuse. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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> Any decent places to look for quail in CA, never been quail hunting before > so I don’t know where to look. > Thanks In Advance > Mike > Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: >         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

where do you live?? I hunt in the central valley and near Paso Robles, FT. Hunter Liggett (closed!) you can check out … www.jesseshuntingpage.com its a good resource also the Cal DFG Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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> I’m totally brand new to hunting. We, a friend and I normally go to the > Mojave Desert and hunt rabiits there. But the last 4 or 5 times we’ve been > there we’ve seen fewer and fewer rabbits. We are both very interested in > hunting a larger animal, but we dont know where to go. We live in L.A. and > are willing to travel, drive, 6 to 8 hours away. But again we dont know > where. Can anyone help. > Thanks in advance. > Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: >         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

You can try this hunting forum, bunch of California hunters hang out here. http://www.jesseshuntingpage.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard//ikonboard.cgi ~Jesse Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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I recently went camping on some BLM land..it’s around Bakersfield, actually just south and west of it.  The exact place was called Crocker Springs, it was in the Carizzo planes area. I’m not sure how big the area is, as I’ve not seen it on a map, but I know it’s not land locked..I saw several deer there one morning and there werent TOO many people there.    Only saw one or two driving off in the distance. There’s also some cows, so check that target first. Hopefully that can help you a little. -Max Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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I’m totally brand new to hunting. We, a friend and I normally go to the Mojave Desert and hunt rabiits there. But the last 4 or 5 times we’ve been there we’ve seen fewer and fewer rabbits. We are both very interested in hunting a larger animal, but we dont know where to go. We live in L.A. and are willing to travel, drive, 6 to 8 hours away. But again we dont know where. Can anyone help. Thanks in advance. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Santa Monica would be a good place to start,,,,,,you’d be very popular with all the animal rights wackos.  Not. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Go to the sporting goods section in Wal-Mart, or some other store, and pick up a copy of the Dept. of Fish & Game "Big Game" booklet.  Bear in mind that I might not be quoting the exact nomenclature.  In this guide, you can find California broken down into different hunting zones.  Check out which zones are in the southern CA area and look at the hunting statistics (number of tags issued, success rate, etc.).  Then get some road and topo maps. Another great map is the national forest maps that show private versus public land, and also a lot of logging roads, etc. Pick where you might think you’d like to go, and go scout it out.  Another good source is to just talk to other hunters that you either meet in your area, or in one of the areas you decide to check out.  I hope that this suggestion helps you out.  I can’t give you any specific suggestions because I am not familiar with southern CA. Good luck.

> I’m totally brand new to hunting. We, a friend and I normally go to the > Mojave Desert and hunt rabiits there. But the last 4 or 5 times we’ve been > there we’ve seen fewer and fewer rabbits. We are both very interested in > hunting a larger animal, but we dont know where to go. We live in L.A. and > are willing to travel, drive, 6 to 8 hours away. But again we dont know > where. Can anyone help.

Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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I’m a writer for a national magazine working on a story about places to go this winter. I’m basically looking for places that take less than a day to get to from the US and where you get good bang for the buck. Also, these locations are for a week. If you have any ideas, please email them to me along with an argument for why you like your destinations. Ideally, they should have something new or interesting but they don’t have to. Any ideas would be great. Thanks, N

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> I’m a writer for a national magazine working on a story about places > to go this winter. I’m basically looking for places that take less > than a day to get to from the US and where you get good bang for the > buck.

Well, Bali is about the best bang for the buck on the planet. Takes around 20 hours to get there. Other than a few Pacific islands or very very remote inland places in the mountains of Asia, the Stans, the south American jungle, or the desert in Africa, does anywhere really take a day to get to? miguel — Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu

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> I’m a writer for a national magazine working on a story about places > to go this winter. I’m basically looking for places that take less > than a day to get to from the US and where you get good bang for the > buck. Also, these locations are for a week. If you have any ideas, > please email them to me along with an argument for why you like your > destinations. Ideally, they should have something new or interesting > but they don’t have to. Any ideas would be great. Thanks, > N

Practically most places on earth take less than a day to get to from the US.  I recommend New Zealand.  It’ll be their summer time.  With the current exchange rate it’s a couple of bangs for the buck.

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Finland, Lapland: http://english.laplandfinland.com/ Need I say more! -Sirkku- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I’m a writer for a national magazine working on a story about places > to go this winter. I’m basically looking for places that take less > than a day to get to from the US and where you get good bang for the > buck. Also, these locations are for a week. If you have any ideas, > please email them to me along with an argument for why you like your > destinations. Ideally, they should have something new or interesting > but they don’t have to. Any ideas would be great. Thanks, > N

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Try San Diego County, CA, USA: we have swimming, sunbathing, surfing, whale-watching (Dec-Mrch), deep sea fishing, sailing ect ect on the Pacific beach and snow skiing/snowboarding in the Sierra mountains, only 50 km away. Stay with us in our low budget, comfortable beach-close tourist condos, we’ll give you a reporter’s discount. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Finland, Lapland: > http://english.laplandfinland.com/ > Need I say more! > -Sirkku- > I’m a writer for a national magazine working on a story about places > to go this winter. I’m basically looking for places that take less > than a day to get to from the US and where you get good bang for the > buck. Also, these locations are for a week. If you have any ideas, > please email them to me along with an argument for why you like your > destinations. Ideally, they should have something new or interesting > but they don’t have to. Any ideas would be great. Thanks, > N

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> Try San Diego County, CA, USA: we have swimming, sunbathing, surfing, > whale-watching (Dec-Mrch), deep sea fishing, sailing ect ect on the > Pacific beach and snow skiing/snowboarding in the Sierra mountains, only > 50 km away. Stay with us in our low budget, comfortable beach-close > tourist condos, we’ll give you a reporter’s discount.

You make big joke, no??   1) San Diego is hardly the Caribbean or Europe (see Newsgroup list). 2) The water temp hardly gets to the 60s F even is the summer, even less the winter. 3) Average daily air temp in January is mid 60s F and avg daily low around 45 F. You make big joke, no?? Big SPAM, that is.

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> San Diego County . . . [has] snow skiing/snowboarding in the Sierra > mountains, only 50 km away.

Do not be mis-lead by that accurate but apparently deliberately vague statement! That sierra is NOT the Sierra Nevada that terminates about 200 km North of San Diego County.

I’m a writer for a national magazine working on a story about places to go this winter. I’m basically looking for places that take less than a day to get to from the US and where you get good bang for the buck. Also, these locations are for a week. If you have any ideas, please email them to me along with an argument for why you like your destinations. Ideally, they should have something new or interesting but they don’t have to. Any ideas would be great. Thanks, N

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> I’m a writer for a national magazine working on a story about places > to go this winter. I’m basically looking for places that take less > than a day to get to from the US and where you get good bang for the > buck.

Well, Bali is about the best bang for the buck on the planet. Takes around 20 hours to get there. Other than a few Pacific islands or very very remote inland places in the mountains of Asia, the Stans, the south American jungle, or the desert in Africa, does anywhere really take a day to get to? miguel — Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu

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> Other than a few Pacific islands or very very > remote inland places in the mountains of Asia, the Stans, the > south American jungle, or the desert in Africa, does anywhere > really take a day to get to?

One word: flight connections! I once flew BOS-MSP-NRT-BKK on NW- total time there was 27 hours including connections- though only about 24 coming back. There are no doubt probably quicker routes (e.g. BOS-LHR-BKK), but to that part of the world from the US, flying over the pacific, it’s quite easy to rack up the hours with connections. David — David Horne- www.davidhorne.co.uk Composer in Association- RLPO david (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk

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> I’m a writer for a national magazine working on a story about places > to go this winter. I’m basically looking for places that take less > than a day to get to from the US and where you get good bang for the > buck. Also, these locations are for a week. If you have any ideas, > please email them to me along with an argument for why you like your > destinations. Ideally, they should have something new or interesting > but they don’t have to. Any ideas would be great. Thanks, > N

Practically most places on earth take less than a day to get to from the US.  I recommend New Zealand.  It’ll be their summer time.  With the current exchange rate it’s a couple of bangs for the buck.

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Finland, Lapland: http://english.laplandfinland.com/ Need I say more! -Sirkku- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I’m a writer for a national magazine working on a story about places > to go this winter. I’m basically looking for places that take less > than a day to get to from the US and where you get good bang for the > buck. Also, these locations are for a week. If you have any ideas, > please email them to me along with an argument for why you like your > destinations. Ideally, they should have something new or interesting > but they don’t have to. Any ideas would be great. Thanks, > N

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Try San Diego County, CA, USA: we have swimming, sunbathing, surfing, whale-watching (Dec-Mrch), deep sea fishing, sailing ect ect on the Pacific beach and snow skiing/snowboarding in the Sierra mountains, only 50 km away. Stay with us in our low budget, comfortable beach-close tourist condos, we’ll give you a reporter’s discount. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Finland, Lapland: > http://english.laplandfinland.com/ > Need I say more! > -Sirkku- > I’m a writer for a national magazine working on a story about places > to go this winter. I’m basically looking for places that take less > than a day to get to from the US and where you get good bang for the > buck. Also, these locations are for a week. If you have any ideas, > please email them to me along with an argument for why you like your > destinations. Ideally, they should have something new or interesting > but they don’t have to. Any ideas would be great. Thanks, > N

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> Try San Diego County, CA, USA: we have swimming, sunbathing, surfing, > whale-watching (Dec-Mrch), deep sea fishing, sailing ect ect on the > Pacific beach and snow skiing/snowboarding in the Sierra mountains, only > 50 km away. Stay with us in our low budget, comfortable beach-close > tourist condos, we’ll give you a reporter’s discount.

You make big joke, no??   1) San Diego is hardly the Caribbean or Europe (see Newsgroup list). 2) The water temp hardly gets to the 60s F even is the summer, even less the winter. 3) Average daily air temp in January is mid 60s F and avg daily low around 45 F. You make big joke, no?? Big SPAM, that is.

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> San Diego County . . . [has] snow skiing/snowboarding in the Sierra > mountains, only 50 km away.

Do not be mis-lead by that accurate but apparently deliberately vague statement! That sierra is NOT the Sierra Nevada that terminates about 200 km North of San Diego County.