BEARS & LIONS THREATENING FAWNS/CALVES WESTERN STATES
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>>> I’d appreciate as many postings related to this issue as possible. Please >> share your opinions and information will all of us.
Latest count is 12 or 13 fawns lost out of 35 and 2 does. One fawn and one heavy mature doe were found while flying quadrat counts. Both had been taken down by the throat below the collar and hamstrung indicating coyote kills. Dick Steele DVM Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My concerns are general for all western states. > In Oregon (for example), the hunting laws for bear and lions are getting > tougher and are causing more calf and fawn kill offs. > It’s starting to look quite serious. I’ve read a few stories and done a > hunting. I have seen a lot more bear and a lot less elk the past few > Weather is one thing, but man designing these imbalances is a shame. > Maybe baying up bear with dogs is too easy, but how do you justify allowing > population to get so out of hand that no fawns or calve survive? > Am I just over dramatizing to suggest that a few too many people are gonn > picked off as well.? > I’d appreciate as many postings related to this issue as possible. Please > share your opinions and information will all of us.
The Colorado DOW started a deer survey on the Uncompaghre this year. 35 does and 35 fawns were collared in January. The study was to see why we are loosing ourdeer. In less than 2 months 25% of the fawns have been lost. In only one case has the cause been determined. That fawn was buried under brush indicating a lion kill. All the other carcases were picked over too badly by coyotes by the time they were found that a cause could not be determined. Out of $73 million revenues per year the DOW cannot break an extra $5000 loose to fund flights more than weekly and helicopter time to find the carcases in time to get some useful information. Don’t they want to find the truth? Disease processes would require samples less than 24 hours old. Initial predator kills would require finding the carcas much sooner. I don’t think the DOW wants to find either. Better an unknown unpublicized loss. They won’t even admit that we have a problem with our mule deer. In a letter from Jim Lipscomb to the wildlife commission reccomending going to a draw for deer statewide, he said this was needed in response to "perceived concerns". Not in response to a problem. The Uncompaghre deer herd has dropped from 38,000 to 17,000 in 10 years. In the hey days of the 60’s the numbers were much higher than 38,000 and we don’t have a problem according to the "boys from Denver"! Dick Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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My concerns are general for all western states. In Oregon (for example), the hunting laws for bear and lions are getting tougher and are causing more calf and fawn kill offs. It’s starting to look quite serious. I’ve read a few stories and done a lot of hunting. I have seen a lot more bear and a lot less elk the past few years. Weather is one thing, but man designing these imbalances is a shame. Maybe baying up bear with dogs is too easy, but how do you justify allowing the population to get so out of hand that no fawns or calve survive? Am I just over dramatizing to suggest that a few too many people are gonn get picked off as well.? I’d appreciate as many postings related to this issue as possible. Please share your opinions and information will all of us. Just looking for balance of nature. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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Oregon is not the only state this is happening the reports of bears and lions causeing trouble has already started in Washington and being a hound hunter myself the comment baying a bear is to easy is wrong there is nothing easy about hunting bear with dogs its just something the antis like to trow around. icould go on and on about their veiws and mine but wont at this time Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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Maybe I didn’t get the gist of this letter, but do you happen to know exactly when open season starts on Fawns and Calves in Western States? I Understand there are some really large grazing animals tearing up the ground and polluting the ground water and that they need culling out to strengthen the herd, you know cows and sheep and the like. -nb – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > My concerns are general for all western states. > In Oregon (for example), the hunting laws for bear and lions are getting > tougher and are causing more calf and fawn kill offs. > It’s starting to look quite serious. I’ve read a few stories and done a lot of > hunting. I have seen a lot more bear and a lot less elk the past few years. > Weather is one thing, but man designing these imbalances is a shame. > Maybe baying up bear with dogs is too easy, but how do you justify allowing the > population to get so out of hand that no fawns or calve survive? > Am I just over dramatizing to suggest that a few too many people are gonn get > picked off as well.? > I’d appreciate as many postings related to this issue as possible. Please > share your opinions and information will all of us.
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