baiting of bears
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>Isn’t bear baiting very damn similar to fishing? You put food out and then >kill the animal when he tries to eat it. The logical connection is that if >bear baiting is unethical or immoral then it follows that fishing is also. >Would the same people who find bear baiting wrong also be willing to toss >out fishing?
They already have. They use single barbless hooks with hand-tied flies and never kill a fish. Probably they don’t like to eat fish, but maybe they just don’t want to kill any worms by stabbing or drowning. author of CD-ROM "Tim Calvin’s Hunting the West" check it out at http://www.quiknet.com/hunting.html
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >: For clarification: >: Isn’t bear baiting very damn similar to fishing? You put food out and then >: kill the animal when he tries to eat it. The logical connection is that if >: bear baiting is unethical or immoral then it follows that fishing is also. >: Would the same people who find bear baiting wrong also be willing to toss >: out fishing? >: [DISCLAIMER: I've never baited bear and do not know entirely what we are >: discussing. My assumption is that it is placing out food and then killing >: the hungry creature.] >: Erik O’Daniel >: Boise, Idaho >No it’s not the same if you catch and release… But then I’ve never heard >of anyone doing catch and release with bears. 
>samg
Catch and release bear baiting is simple: don’t pull the trigger. Chris Fulton
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Shooting Elephants or any other animal with paintballs in my opinion is un-ethical & should be against the law. This is not hunting, its pure harassment. I saw a program on TV once where Cheryl Tieg ( a dippy model of sorts) was going to "investigate the plight of the Elephant". This part of Africa at the time was under sever drought and she wanted to see if she could help. When they came upon a small herd, they looked in terrible shape. She asked to get closer to get the animals to move so the camera could get better pictures. The guide kind of looked at her funny, but did what she asked (she was paying his salary). The Elephants did kind of panic and ran off. This is exactly what they didn’t need to do. In their condition they did not need to expend more energy. I call that harassment and I put"paintballs" in the same catergory. Woody Williams If you’re too busy to hunt, you’re too busy.
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The baiting of bears is just as ethical as hunting over deer trails. Bears come in very cautiously and one false move and they are gone!
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> Isn’t bear baiting very damn similar to fishing? You put food out and then > kill the animal when he tries to eat it. The logical connection is that if > bear baiting is unethical or immoral then it follows that fishing is also. > Would the same people who find bear baiting wrong also be willing to toss > out fishing?
You can’t kill and release a bear. Doug
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->: For clarification: >: Isn’t bear baiting very damn similar to fishing? You put food out and then >: kill the animal when he tries to eat it. The logical connection is that if >: bear baiting is unethical or immoral then it follows that fishing is also. >: Would the same people who find bear baiting wrong also be willing to toss >: out fishing? >: [DISCLAIMER: I've never baited bear and do not know entirely what we are >: discussing. My assumption is that it is placing out food and then killing >: the hungry creature.] >: Erik O’Daniel >: Boise, Idaho >No it’s not the same if you catch and release… But then I’ve never heard >of anyone doing catch and release with bears. >samg > Catch and release bear baiting is simple: don’t pull the trigger. > Chris Fulton
No no no. You use paint ball guns. Saw this on CNN a while back. Hunters in Kenya shooting elephants with paint ball guns. Scared the elephants and they ran away. I could only think about when they realized that weren’t hurt and got pissed off and took off after the shooter. BTW the shoot has a guide with a real rifle. Jim
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<snip> : Catch and release bear baiting is simple: don’t pull the trigger. : Chris Fulton Sorry Chris, that’s "Not catching and releasing." Kinda like fishing without the hook. samg
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>They use single barbless hooks with hand-tied flies and >never kill a fish. Probably they don’t like to eat fish, but maybe they >just don’t want to kill any worms by stabbing or drowning.
FYI – I use single barbless hooks with hand-tied flies and never kill a WILD fish. I like to eat fish and will use bait when fishing for stocked trout or catfish. I even don’t mind killing worms by stabbing or drowning. While I personally haven’t hunted bears over bait I don’t have any problem with those that do, where legal. Jerry Bayley Modesto, CA
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I am not a gun or bow bear hunter. I have been out to many of "sights" that have been baited. If you hunt with a camera, that IS like "catch and Release" IMHO 
Moral and Ethical dilemas face each of us on a daily basis. Knee jerk reactions and gut feelings do not help the situation. Before you make up your mind on what bear baiting is or isn’t, do as I have, join a fellow at his/her sight and see directly what it is. You may be very suprised at what you find!
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>> Isn’t bear baiting very damn similar to fishing? You put food out and then > kill the animal when he tries to eat it. The logical connection is that if > bear baiting is unethical or immoral then it follows that fishing is also. > Would the same people who find bear baiting wrong also be willing to toss > out fishing? >You can’t kill and release a bear. >Doug
I am not a bear hunter, but have no interest in stopping others from participating in the sport. However, I wonder what is the difference between supplying your own bait and hunting over it versus finding a food source (eg. a wheat field for geese or an apple orchard for deer) and hunting there? The only difference that I see is that baiting an animal requires expense and effort. As a matter of fact, if you check your history books, baiting was the sport of the elite, as they were the only ones who could afford it. Also, as I do not want to be caught in the same woods as a wounded bear, I am actually glad that they are baited as there will be a greater chance of a clean kill.
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: >> Isn’t bear baiting very damn similar to fishing? You put food out and then : >> kill the animal when he tries to eat it. The logical connection is that if : >> bear baiting is unethical or immoral then it follows that fishing is also. : >> Would the same people who find bear baiting wrong also be willing to toss : >> out fishing? : >> : > : >You can’t kill and release a bear. : > : >Doug : I am not a bear hunter, but have no interest in stopping others from : participating in the sport. However, I wonder what is the difference : between supplying your own bait and hunting over it versus finding a : food source (eg. a wheat field for geese or an apple orchard for deer) : and hunting there? The only difference that I see is that baiting an : animal requires expense and effort. As a matter of fact, if you check : your history books, baiting was the sport of the elite, as they were the : only ones who could afford it. Also, as I do not want to be caught in : the same woods as a wounded bear, I am actually glad that they are : baited as there will be a greater chance of a clean kill. Again playing devil’s advocate… If you were to hunt deer in an orchard, there’s no way to tell what tree he’s going to, or where in the whole wheat field the geese will fly over. But in baiting the bear has to come to the exact spot where the bait is. I’ll admit is simular, but not exactly the same. samg
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For clarification: Isn’t bear baiting very damn similar to fishing? You put food out and then kill the animal when he tries to eat it. The logical connection is that if bear baiting is unethical or immoral then it follows that fishing is also. Would the same people who find bear baiting wrong also be willing to toss out fishing? [DISCLAIMER: I've never baited bear and do not know entirely what we are discussing. My assumption is that it is placing out food and then killing the hungry creature.] Erik O’Daniel Boise, Idaho
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: For clarification: : Isn’t bear baiting very damn similar to fishing? You put food out and then : kill the animal when he tries to eat it. The logical connection is that if : bear baiting is unethical or immoral then it follows that fishing is also. : Would the same people who find bear baiting wrong also be willing to toss : out fishing? : [DISCLAIMER: I've never baited bear and do not know entirely what we are : discussing. My assumption is that it is placing out food and then killing : the hungry creature.] : Erik O’Daniel : Boise, Idaho No it’s not the same if you catch and release… But then I’ve never heard of anyone doing catch and release with bears. samg
