baiting
Question:
These are the type of classical examples that will lead the anti’s into the elimination of the depth finder, It would be labled a bait! AL
Response:
>Agreed. Baiting does damage wildlife. Black bears for example: >- become less frightened of humans and places people at greater risk from > habituated bears.
Then how come the bear that have come into my baits over the years were so spooky? Gee, I sure wish some of them would become habituated so they wouldn’t jump and run when I draw my bow. >- can turn bears into nuisance or garbage bears.
Bears will become nuisance or garbage bears even in areas where no baiting occurs. >- makes the bears more vulnerable to criminal elements.
True. So let’s outlaw baiting and then outlaw flashlights and headlights on cars and then, oh yeah, how about guns too as all those things make deer more vulnerable to criminal elements. >If baiting is not deterimental, why the great effort in national parks to >keep bears away from human food and garbage?
Perhaps they couldn’t afford all the extra labor to clean up the garbage the bears spread around the national parks. >Simple, a bear habituated to garbage or bait spells trouble.
In my days of bear viewing at northern Minnesota dumps the bears learned to tolerate people to a point. I never met one that would be agressive if you approached. Most ran if you got out of your car. Jim, I don’t think your post holds water or bait. Randy Buker
Response:
: >>Uh… sorry Chris, but you’re off the track here. What you are : >implying is that setting up a stand over a scrape or watering sight : >is baiting. If its baiting then it must be equivilent to shooting : >a bear with his head in a bucket. : : I believe that Chris wrote an intelligent and thoughtful post on baiting. : Some of your responses, on the other hand, make me wonder. The above for : example. Here in Minnesota we are not allowed to use buckets in baiting for : bear. Even if we did, is that different than shooting a deer when it’s head : is behind a tree or when it is looking away from you? When we bowhunt, we : try to make our move when the animal is looking away. I certainly don’t : encourage a deer to look at me before I shoot it. Do you? On side note,a few years back a noted hunting magazine had a piece on baiting.Railed against it for pages.I then counted ads that came under that classification in the same mag.The author was in one extolling the enhancement you get if you planted the brand he was paid to endorse.:). He was in another trying to peddle his Grunt calls.What a hypocrite!!!!I What is a bait pile,three apple trees(I have three I’m quite fond of),A 2 foot pile of corn,10 ac. of cut corn,100 ac soybeans,A group of White oak trees,A water hole,sweet potato vines(1 or 1,000,000,Doe scent,cover scents,mineral blocks and so on.Its up to each hunter to decide. Good Hunting David
Response:
I just can’t help it. I’ve been reading the baiting issues for a while without offering my $.02. Well here’s a quarter. >Uh… sorry Chris, but you’re off the track here. What you are >implying is that setting up a stand over a scrape or watering sight >is baiting. If its baiting then it must be equivilent to shooting >a bear with his head in a bucket.
I believe that Chris wrote an intelligent and thoughtful post on baiting. Some of your responses, on the other hand, make me wonder. The above for example. Here in Minnesota we are not allowed to use buckets in baiting for bear. Even if we did, is that different than shooting a deer when it’s head is behind a tree or when it is looking away from you? When we bowhunt, we try to make our move when the animal is looking away. I certainly don’t encourage a deer to look at me before I shoot it. Do you? >What the original poster was saying is that having an automatic feed station >or bait bucket that alters the "wild" animal’s behavior in such a way >that you know where it will be and when so you can kill it more convienantly >is not ethical. It is no longer a fair chase, nor strictly speaking, a >wild animal.
So the use of trail timers should be outlawed too? How about scouting to the point where you know what time the buck comes out to the bean field to eat? And what’s this about killing more convienantly? Do you try to make your kills inconvient? > but I had >to HUNT to find them, and know something about deer and their habitat to >find them.
And in bear baiting you can’t often just go into the woods and throw out a pile of slop and expect to shoot a bear. You have to find where there is bear activity and you have to know a bit about the bears habits in order to know where to bait. So, you find your scrapes and I’ll find my territory markers in the form of scratched trees. >.As far as >not critiquing these practices lest I violate some "brotherhood of the bait >bucket"… bullshit on that. We as hunters need to develop our own ethics,
We also have to develop tolerance for hunting practices we don’t participate in ourselves. > this comes from discussion and information. If non-ethical practices weren’t >critiqued from within, they would only provide fodder for the antis, >and in addition we would never move forward.
Who is calling baiting non-ethical? It seems that support from within would go further in defending our heritage than having someone from within decide what is ethical and then going after it. >As far as I’m concerned >shooting a deer over bait is simply not hunting, nor is it ethical.
Then don’t do it! Just stay the heck out of someone else’s hunt! Geez! Randy Buker
