.35 Whelen Bullets
Question:
Bill, i have heard of this problem with the .358 250grn grand slam. I also hunt with a 35 Whelen and i use the speer 250grn hot core. I have had very good luck with this on Elk, pigs, and lots of deer. I talked to a guy in alaska who has killed 3 brown bears with this bullet. I use a max load of # Any of you that use a .35 Whelen might be interested in an experience # I had with 250 grain Speer .35 caliber Grand Slam bullets. I shot an # elk a year ago with this bullet. The short version is that although he # was hit well, through both lungs, and at a range of about 100 yards, # he went nearly a mile before I could get another fatal shot into him. # # I found both bullets, and the first bullet had barely changed from its # original shape. The second bullet went through the spine and was more # or less intact. Since the first bullet had not mushroomed, I called # Speer and relayed the problem. They took 10 of my reloaded rounds and # tested them at the factory. What they found is all my reloaded bullets # failed to expand adequately. The charge was 53 grains of RL-12, which # is a near maximum load (over max. in the Nosler #3 manual). It is my # opinion that the 250 grain Grand Slam is probably too hard a bullet to # use in a .35 Whelen, or 350 Remington Magnum. It would probably do # fine in a .358 Norma Mag. # # I’d be interested in hearing from others who have used this bullet in # the 350 Rem Mag or .35 Whelen – and what bullets have worked well. # Thanks, Bill. # # # Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: # http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ # # To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING # # # Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
Response:
# ## ## I had the same problem with 160 gr .284 Grand Slams when used # #in both my 7X57 and my 280 Rem. I did not contact Speer but I didstop using #the Grand Slam as they appear to need more speed or #target toughness than I use. I switched to Speer’s excellent 160gr spitzer #and have not had any expansion problems in either with good results #from 28 yds with the 280 Rem out to 230 yd with the 7X57 on #whitetail. And before someone asks yes the range was measured #after the shot with a split prism rangefinder. # Nosler and Sierra both make 225 gr bullets that have worked well #on deer and black bear for me. I would expect that they would also #work on Elk but I have not firsthand experence on that. Hope #this helps. #Chip King # #Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: # http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ # #To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING # My father in law and I have each shot a moose using Nosler Partitions. His was at 130yards, the first shot put the bull down in 10 feet, required one finisher. Cartridge used was a .375 Whelen with 260 gr partition. My moose was dumped at a measured 255 yards. I used my .35 Whelen mauser loaded with 250 gr. partitions. One shot was all that was needed. Ken Karcich Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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# Any of you that use a .35 Whelen might be interested in an experience # I had with 250 grain Speer .35 caliber Grand Slam bullets. I shot an # elk a year ago with this bullet. The short version is that although he # was hit well, through both lungs, and at a range of about 100 yards, # he went nearly a mile before I could get another fatal shot into him. # # I found both bullets, and the first bullet had barely changed from its # original shape. The second bullet went through the spine and was more # or less intact. Since the first bullet had not mushroomed, I called # Speer and relayed the problem. They took 10 of my reloaded rounds and # tested them at the factory. What they found is all my reloaded bullets # failed to expand adequately. The charge was 53 grains of RL-12, which # is a near maximum load (over max. in the Nosler #3 manual). It is my # opinion that the 250 grain Grand Slam is probably too hard a bullet to # use in a .35 Whelen, or 350 Remington Magnum. It would probably do # fine in a .358 Norma Mag. # # I’d be interested in hearing from others who have used this bullet in # the 350 Rem Mag or .35 Whelen – and what bullets have worked well. # Thanks, Bill. # # I had the same problem with 160 gr .284 Grand Slams when used in both my 7X57 and my 280 Rem. I did not contact Speer but I didstop using the Grand Slam as they appear to need more speed or target toughness than I use. I switched to Speer’s excellent 160gr spitzer and have not had any expansion problems in either with good results from 28 yds with the 280 Rem out to 230 yd with the 7X57 on whitetail. And before someone asks yes the range was measured after the shot with a split prism rangefinder. Nosler and Sierra both make 225 gr bullets that have worked well on deer and black bear for me. I would expect that they would also work on Elk but I have not firsthand experence on that. Hope this helps. Chip King Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
Response:
Any of you that use a .35 Whelen might be interested in an experience I had with 250 grain Speer .35 caliber Grand Slam bullets. I shot an elk a year ago with this bullet. The short version is that although he was hit well, through both lungs, and at a range of about 100 yards, he went nearly a mile before I could get another fatal shot into him. I found both bullets, and the first bullet had barely changed from its original shape. The second bullet went through the spine and was more or less intact. Since the first bullet had not mushroomed, I called Speer and relayed the problem. They took 10 of my reloaded rounds and tested them at the factory. What they found is all my reloaded bullets failed to expand adequately. The charge was 53 grains of RL-12, which is a near maximum load (over max. in the Nosler #3 manual). It is my opinion that the 250 grain Grand Slam is probably too hard a bullet to use in a .35 Whelen, or 350 Remington Magnum. It would probably do fine in a .358 Norma Mag. I’d be interested in hearing from others who have used this bullet in the 350 Rem Mag or .35 Whelen – and what bullets have worked well. Thanks, Bill. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
